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| Quote ="Saddened!"
Everton were worse though, I've never seen a side with such little attacking threat, bar the current Villa side. It's very puzzling when you consider how dynamic and free scoring they were with the same team last season.
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It isn't that puzzling - Simply, the full backs, Baines and especially Coleman have been nowhere near last season's form.... This has lead to Lukaku receiving almost zero decent service.
Coleman will hopefully be shipped out to United in the summer, fetching in some decent cash, as long as Van Gaal hasn't realised how vastly overrated he is.... If £28 million for Fellaini seemed like daylight robbery, then I can't wait to see what United fans will make of paying the £25 million being touted for Coleman.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"It isn't that puzzling - Simply, the full backs, Baines and especially Coleman have been nowhere near last season's form.... This has lead to Lukaku receiving almost zero decent service.
Coleman will hopefully be shipped out to United in the summer, fetching in some decent cash, as long as Van Gaal hasn't realised how vastly overrated he is.... If £28 million for Fellaini seemed like daylight robbery, then I can't wait to see what United fans will make of paying the £25 million being touted for Coleman.'"
It's not just their form though is it? Baines hasn't really got forward this season because Martinez has removed Pienaar from the team, which for me has pretty much destroyed Baines's ability to get up beyond the wide player. Either because there isn't anyone there at all, or because it's someone like Lukaku or Mirallas who isn't comfortable in that position and struggles to link up with Baines. Coleman has still done okay this season and today.
Everton are just static at the moment. They are too slow moving the ball, probably because the players aren't that good technically, particularly at the back and Barry in midfield, and just can't shift it quick enough to expose teams. All teams have to do to stop Everton getting any sort of hold of the game is press high up the pitch. It stops the fullbacks getting forward and means the defenders are playing risky balls into midfielders facing towards their own goal who receive the ball under real pressure. Playing without any creative midfielders doesn't help either. Today they were basically playing a 4-3-3 with Lukaku and Mirallas isolated on the wing and Naismith playing as a defender chasing lost causes and balls being passed around him in triangles. In midfield we had a trio of defensive choppers in Besic, Barry and McCarthy. Fine tactically if you are playing for a 0-0, but they aren't going to beat many teams playing that way.
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| Pienaar only played in just over half our games last season, so you can't put Baines's ineffectiveness simply down to his absence.
I agree about the midfield problems though - Barry is absolutely finished as a Premier League player, though if McCarthy stays fit and able to do his 30 miles a game running about, then Everton will get away with him in the side until season end.
I'm happy to see some pace being introduced to the side with Lennon, but you are right that we need some creation in the side just behind Lukaku - Unfortunately, Barkley looks devoid of interest and/or confidence at the moment.
Personally, come summer, I'd hold an auction involving Barkley and Coleman and start afresh with the £50 million or so that we would quite laughably get... Throw in Mirallas's inevitable exit and we would have enough cash to give Martinez one final chance to see if he really is the real deal, or merely a chancer who is able to charm the media with his Spanish lilt.
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| Quote ="CommanderShepard"Chelsea fans in "classless w@nkers" shocker....'"
Oppo fans w@nking themselves off over it, now that's classy.
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| Quote ="BBC Live ticker"What's happened to Ross Barkley this season? He doesn't look like a Premier League player at the moment, let alone an international.'"
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| Quote ="Mark"Liverpool are a joke, tried to tell you all in January. Rodgers is a pretender, helped by having the exceptionally talented racist and no other comps to worry about. Spent £100 million to strengthen and ballsed it up. The kings of cringe are back off their perch.
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I'd love to know your thoughts on van Gaal then if you think that's the case with Rodgers.
He's spent £150M+ this summer and you are 2 points ahead of a Liverpool team who had lose their best player (and one of the world's best players I'd like to add). They also lost there main goal scorer for 6 months of the season. They've played the most games out of anyone in the PL so far yet Louis van Genius is 2 points ahead of them.
I questioned Rodgers in Novemeber but the man has turned it around. He's shown what a good young manager he is. He's changed the system, brought players in and he's getting results and god performances. He's transformed our defence. 5 consecutive away clean sheets in the league the first time since the 1980s and Mignolet is second only to Fraser Forster on clean sheets.
After the start we've had, too be 3 points off third, in the EL last 32, 80 minutes off an FA Cup semi final at Wembley is incredible IMO.
van Gaal has been pathetic IMO.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I'm not sure, Liverpool looked pretty awful today. Sakho is perhaps the worst player ever to play in the Premier League in terms of his ability on the ball. Why Liverpool's other players involve him in the tiki-taka is beyond me. When you are Liverpool's goalkeeper, do you a) Tap it 5 yards to Sakho, keeping in mind that there is a player 30 yards away who will probably take it off him before he's managed to control it, or b) Tap it five yards the other way to a reasonable player?
Everton were worse though, I've never seen a side with such little attacking threat, bar the current Villa side. It's very puzzling when you consider how dynamic and free scoring they were with the same team last season.
On the Barkley topic, are people on here serious? You don't think he's gifted? There aren't many in the Premier League who can do the things he does. I stand by my point, you put him in a league where they are a little less risk averse and he'd be sensational. He's a classy player, two great feet and has the potential to be a fantastic player. He might not even get close to living up to that potential of course, but the potential is there.'"
You are blind if you go by the myth that Sakho is uncomfortable on the ball. He's one of the best ball playing CB's in the league along with Stones.
He's our only defender who can pass it out from the back. His passing is superb. He averages 95% pass completion most games and 65% of them are forward passes.
You blindly stick by the notion that he 'looks awkward on the ball though' and can't pass
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| There are excuses for both van Gaal and Rodgers, but both of them have sucked this season.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"There are excuses for both van Gaal and Rodgers, but both of them have sucked this season.'"
I'd have to disagree... Van Gaal is dog turd, all hype, and doesn't have the foggiest what he is doing, bar playing Football Manager, only with real money and a real club - The 'carrying a clipboard' look only makes him look more of a t!t than he actually is.
Rodgers however, is doing a decent job - This season was always going to be an anti climax after last season's massive over-achievement, especially after losing Suarez to Barca and then missing Sturridge for most of the season - To look a pretty good bet to nail third is a fantastic follow up for Rodgers to last season.... What Liverpool want right now is a few successive seasons of top 4 finishes so as to build up their finances and experience for future years.... Like it or not, Liverpool are simply not in the Chelsea/Man city/Man Utd position of attracting big names by throwing stupid money at them - Steady progress, which is what Liverpool are achieving, is the way to go for them. I'd confidently say, that if they don't lose their nerve doing it slowly, then they will finally have a PL title within 5 or 6 years.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"I'd have to disagree... Van Gaal is dog turd, all hype, and doesn't have the foggiest what he is doing, bar playing Football Manager, only with real money and a real club - The 'carrying a clipboard' look only makes him look more of a t!t than he actually is.'"
It's van Gaal's first year in the PL. He's taken over a completely disjointed team and the club have just gone out and thrown a bunch of money at the problem with no sense of making a team.
I think van Gaal has an acceptable rather than stellar CV. He's won things everywhere he's been, but he's also made enemies wherever he's been. He doesn't have the personality to deal well with a prickly British press. I doubt he's got the personality to win over the dressing room quickly either.
IMO he's done a poor job and he's got a difficult job on his hands. But calling a CL and multiple title winner dog turd is simply ridiculous.
Quote Rodgers however, is doing a decent job - This season was always going to be an anti climax after last season's massive over-achievement, especially after losing Suarez to Barca and then missing Sturridge for most of the season - To look a pretty good bet to nail third is a fantastic follow up for Rodgers to last season.... '"
Liverpool are 6th right now. If they finish top 4 then Rodgers will deserve the plaudits. But he doesn't deserve plaudits because you think they're a good bet for third when they could actually end up 7th.
Quote What Liverpool want right now is a few successive seasons of top 4 finishes so as to build up their finances and experience for future years.... Like it or not, Liverpool are simply not in the Chelsea/Man city/Man Utd position of attracting big names by throwing stupid money at them - Steady progress, which is what Liverpool are achieving, is the way to go for them. I'd confidently say, that if they don't lose their nerve doing it slowly, then they will finally have a PL title within 5 or 6 years.'"
The delusion on Merseyside is ridiculous.
"King" Kenny finished 7th in the league, won the League Cup, reached the FA Cup final. He got sacked.
Rodgers came in and finished 7th, with two embarrassing cup exits.
Last season Liverpool were Suarez-inspired to a 2nd place finish, which really should have been an amazing title win.
They are now 6th, on the back of a good win at Southampton, while United are 3rd, on the back of a dreadful defeat to Swansea.
There really hasn't been a year on year improvement from Rodgers. They might have turned the corner and end up top 4 with the FA Cup, but equally they could just as easily stay where they are and win nothing.
Either Rodgers or van Gaal could finish top 4 this season and win the FA Cup. If either of them does this season will be classed as a very good one, no matter what people are saying now. But until the games have been played it's ridiculous to be throwing plaudits to Rodgers when he's done FA to deserve them.
Liverpool title winners in 5 years??? WTF are you smoking?
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| I would suggest that if United don't finish in the top 4, especially after a season of no European football and little Cup football, then Van Gaal should be fired.
As for Rodgers, the fact that his side are competitive and in the mix for the top 4 and a couple of trophies, is a decent return after losing a talent like Suarez, who was widely accepted as being the major reason for Liverpool's 2nd place finish.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"It's van Gaal's first year in the PL. He's taken over a completely disjointed team and the club have just gone out and thrown a bunch of money at the problem with no sense of making a team.
I think van Gaal has an acceptable rather than stellar CV. He's won things everywhere he's been, but he's also made enemies wherever he's been. He doesn't have the personality to deal well with a prickly British press. I doubt he's got the personality to win over the dressing room quickly either.
IMO he's done a poor job and he's got a difficult job on his hands. But calling a CL and multiple title winner dog turd is simply ridiculous.
Liverpool are 6th right now. If they finish top 4 then Rodgers will deserve the plaudits. But he doesn't deserve plaudits because you think they're a good bet for third when they could actually end up 7th.
The delusion on Merseyside is ridiculous.
"King" Kenny finished 7th in the league, won the League Cup, reached the FA Cup final. He got sacked.
Rodgers came in and finished 7th, with two embarrassing cup exits.
Last season Liverpool were Suarez-inspired to a 2nd place finish, which really should have been an amazing title win.
They are now 6th, on the back of a good win at Southampton, while United are 3rd, on the back of a dreadful defeat to Swansea.
There really hasn't been a year on year improvement from Rodgers. They might have turned the corner and end up top 4 with the FA Cup, but equally they could just as easily stay where they are and win nothing.
Either Rodgers or van Gaal could finish top 4 this season and win the FA Cup. If either of them does this season will be classed as a very good one, no matter what people are saying now. But until the games have been played it's ridiculous to be throwing plaudits to Rodgers when he's done FA to deserve them.
Liverpool title winners in 5 years??? WTF are you smoking?'"
The club have gone out and thrown money with no sense of making a team. Van Gaal isn't included in that then? Do you not think van Gaal wanted Blind, Di Maria, Falcao, Rojo etc then. The guy has spent close to £200M but it's okay because he's not English, has a decent CV and he's not called David Moyes.
As for Rodgers he's done a superb job up to know given the cards he was dealt with.
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I don't actually think van Gaal is doing any better than rabbit in the headlights Moyes did last year, considering the vast sum United have thrown at the team. However he has taken over a side that finished 7th last year and they are presently 3rd.
Giving Rodgers credit for being in the Europa League last 32 is ridiculous. Liverpool's CL campaign was a total disaster and the only reason they finished 3rd rather than 4th was the Ludogorets keepers utter brain explosion that gifted them their only win.
I don't like either of Rodgers or van Gaal. As a Chelsea fan though Rodgers would have been shown the door by Abramovich while the axe would be getting sharpened for van Gaal if it looked likely that top 4 wasn't going to be achieved.
Either van Gaal or Rodgers could end the season strongly and achieve enough to say they've had a good season. But right now, they've both sucked.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"I don't like either of Rodgers or van Gaal. As a Chelsea fan though Rodgers would have been shown the door by Abramovich while the axe would be getting sharpened for van Gaal if it looked likely that top 4 wasn't going to be achieved. '"
I seriously can't believe you are criticising Brodge. He took a leaderless team that was playing awful football and in the space of twelve months turned them into one of the most attractive footballing teams in the country. That doesn't even compare to LVG and what he hasn't done with the most expensive side in EPL history.
Brodge had to sell his one genuine world class talent and understandably it's taken a while for the new players to get to grips with the system. He'd be no good at Chelsea because, as you say, Roman wants to win today not tomorrow. However, that has little bearing on Brodge, who manages a team whose owners are prepared to look at the longer-term picture. Liverpool have different expectations. I mean, had Brodge the amount of money and talent at his disposal as Jose has had I doubt we'd even be discussing it.
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| As I've already said, under Dalglish Liverpool won the League Cup and reached the FA Cup final. Dalglish also signed Luis Suarez. So to say that they were leaderless and playing awful football is just a lie.
I reserve judgement on Rodgers. At the moment he was just lucky to have been Liverpool's manager at the time when Suarez flourished into the amazing player he became. He was also the beneficiary of a gift from CFC in Sturridge. If I had any say at CFC there'd have been no way we'd have sold him to them, especially for that ridiculous fee.
I do think losing Suarez and having Sturridge out for so long is such a massive blow that nearly all managers would suffer. So in a way this seasons fall has been perfectly understandable.
All I'm saying is that right now Liverpool are in 6th place in the league. If LFC finish in 6th or lower this season then this season will be a bust. If they finish top 4 and win the FA Cup then Rodgers will rightfully be accepting plaudits. But praising Rodgers for his top 4 finish when he hasn't even done it yet is just stupid.
Rodgers has the potential to become a great manager. There is definite glimpses there. But he could also collapse, get fired and struggle to get another job in the PL again.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"As I've already said, under Dalglish Liverpool won the League Cup and reached the FA Cup final. Dalglish also signed Luis Suarez. So to say that they were leaderless and playing awful football is just a lie. '"
Why is it? You can be leaderless, play awful football and still compete. You're not suggesting they were playing better or more effective football under Daglish are you? One only has to watch a few games to see the difference. I mean, we're not talking a nuanced change. Brodge overhauled the team in playing style and squad, more or less (only Johnson, Skrtel, Henderson, Gerrard, Jose Enrique of the cup final squad are still at Liverpool).
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| Kenny Daglish's 2011 12 League position by PL round:
5 5 3 6 8 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 7 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 6 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8
Brendan Rodgers 2012 13 League position by PL round:
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Brendan Rodgers 2013 14 PL record:
4 2 1 1 2 2 1 3 2 3 2 2 4 4 2 2 1 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2
Brendan Rodgers PL record so far this season:
2 9 5 8 10 12 6 5 7 7 8 12 11 8 9 10 10 9 8 8 8 8 7 7 7 6
IMO there's virtually nothing in Rodgers previous record which suggests why people are so confident that he's going to power his way to a top 4 finish.
Man United's wiki page doesn't have a pasteable table for this season, but suffice to say after an absolutely horrid start to the season United have spent the second half of this season firmly placed in 3rd/4th.
Generally I don't make predictions. But I'd say that it's almost certain that neither Chelsea nor Citeh will collapse so badly that they finish outside the top 4. Arsenal are Arsenal, so they'll win their top 4 finish trophy again. So that leaves one spot open. Personally I'd absolutely love it if both Rodgers and Van Gaal missed out and Koeman got it. But if I was forced to pick who I think will make top 4 then the CL winner and 7 times title winner van Gaal would get the nod over Brendan "Won FA yet" Rodgers.
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| Terrible what the Chelsea doctor has been put through by so-called fans when she's on the pitch tending to injured players.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Terrible what the Chelsea doctor has been put through by so-called fans when she's on the pitch tending to injured players.'"
A lot of the people who attend football games are complete neanderthals. Nothing worse than over flowing lad culture and 'I'm well ard' fools with an attractive woman about. I don't know why they don't insist on all PL tickets being backed up with a passport, so they can review the footage and ban the people responsible. Plenty of responsibility on those who attend the games with these idiots. If someone you go to the game with goes too far, you should tell them to pack it in, not encourage them like primary school children.
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The referee had an interesting game. Plenty of praise from the commentators for his bravery in booking just about every United player tonight. But, he clearly had a mare for the couple of minutes that led to Di Maria's sending off. Firstly Sanchez falls over under mild pressure from Valencia. If there was any physical contact at all it was the softest, gentlest brush of his shirt. Yet Oliver gave the free kick without any hesitation. Then it goes up the other end and Di Maria goes down easily as well, but at least he was thrown off balance by the Arsenal defender grabbing his hand and throwing it. As clear a free kick as you will ever see. Yet Oliver books Di Maria, a decision so utterly stupid and obviously wrong. Yet the commentators don't mention that and instead praise Oliver for sending Di Maria off for tugging the ref on the shirt. Oliver's reaction for me is what is wrong with referees these days. They all think they are Collina, they think they have personalities and have the biggest egos on the pitch. His reaction reminds me of when they have guest referees in WWE, it was a Shaun Michaels reaction, the acting was ridiculous. Terrible refereeing there, if Di Maria is going to get banned for the 'come here' reaction, the ref should also be stood down for his calamitous decision.
How on earth does Bellerin stay on as well? I'm all for winding back the years to proper football and proper challenges, but by today's soft standards, that was as easy a yellow as you'll ever see. The one decision the referee got right was the yellow for Januzaj. What a terrible player. People on here are slating Ross Barkley for his lack of progress this season, he's another who started brightly and has completely fizzled out. He looks so raw as a player now, lacking any sort of game awareness and having absolutely no judgement about when to pass and when to dribble. Two or three times he beat the fullback and didn't put a single ball into the box.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"A lot of the people who attend football games are complete neanderthals. Nothing worse than over flowing lad culture and 'I'm well ard' fools with an attractive woman about. I don't know why they don't insist on all PL tickets being backed up with a passport, so they can review the footage and ban the people responsible. Plenty of responsibility on those who attend the games with these idiots. If someone you go to the game with goes too far, you should tell them to pack it in, not encourage them like primary school children.
However, she is well tidy.'"
The physio at Saints in the early 90's was very pleasing on the eye too.
Don't recall any chants about her...goes to show some of the knuckle draggers that go to football.
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Janette Smith. She was entwined with Eric Hughes during his tenure. She took abuse for that so RL isn't exactly clean on the matter. I've certainly heard enough sexist chants at RL to know that it's not a one-off. It is a lot less common now and I'm proud to say I was one of those male fans who said no to chants like that
Should add, Janette is on Twitter if you want to rekindle some old midget surfboard memories
https://twitter.com/janettesmith12
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Janette Smith. She was entwined with Eric Hughes during his tenure. She took abuse for that so RL isn't exactly clean on the matter. I've certainly heard enough sexist chants at RL to know that it's not a one-off. It is a lot less common now and I'm proud to say I was one of those male fans who said no to chants like that
Should add, Janette is on Twitter if you want to rekindle some old midget surfboard memories
https://twitter.com/janettesmith12
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