Do we think these are to free room up for Gleesons salary or are we expecting to bring another player in?

I'd imagine they're freeing up room for Gleeson but it wouldn't surprise me at all if we announced the signing of Jamie Peacock.

Is this hope springing eternal, or have you heard something?

Hey up, Pemps is sleep posting again

The former unfortunately.

The point I was making was that for the past couple of seasons we seem to be full of mid season surprises.

Well you've blown it again, first Pirtek now Peacock. Will you ever learn, loose lips sink ships!

the latter

Gleeson's contract couldn't have been registered with the RFL if we didn't have cap space the moment it was agreed by the RFL. Given this it looks like Goulding to Salford gives us some space. Don't know about the Mossop deal as the timing was close to Gleeson being confirmed.

If anymore go out i will start to believe theres something still to happen

Were we not able to accomodate Gleeson prior to these moves then the RFL would not have registered him, so i agree it seems to me new cap space is potentially opened up. I would suggest Mathers departure generated the cap space for Gleeson.

Not sure we are freeing up space to bring anyone in though, i think the moves are born out of player development rather than accomodating a new player, but if anyone else who is on the fringes of first team rugby is sent out on loan then i think the possibility significantly increases, especially if it is one of Prescott, Pryce McIllorum and/or O'Carroll.

I need a little helpw this one.

Fore example, if we loan out Fielden, would all of his CAP space become available for us to spend on another player?

Would then the other club have to pay Fielden the exact same amount as we are paying him, or are his wages from the club he's loaned out to re-neg'ed between him and his new club?

If we loaned a player out to Salford and they were willing to take all of his wage on board then that would free up his entire salary. If they were only willing to pay half then we would pay the other half and only half would be freed up.

But if this player was no longer classed as a Wigan player, then surely none of his wage - even if we were paying half of it - would count on our cap?

Or is that a really stupid question?

i wish you guys would stop using "former" and "latter".
i get em mixed up and ive no idea what some of you are saying



i think its to free up space for gleeson.
i dont think we left enough room under the cap to make a major signing, so summats had to give.

on the positive side..........it doesnt matter how much we go over the cap this year, as a points deduction would mean nothing at this stage.
in fact it might generate more interest if we were on minus x points and trying to get into the plus.........like some footy teams who start off on -15.

I think they are still classed as Wigan players though. I think.

The issue I see arising is if we loan players out and then a couple of our backs are injured for 3/4 weeks, what do we do then? By calling our loan players back they'll go back on our cap.

This is the view i have. Also with the rumours that Pryce has been loaned to Leigh this gives me hope that we are looking to bring someone in.

That can't happen any more. If a signing is set to take us over the cap, the RFL will refuse to let us register the player.

There'll be no more 'one season later' points deductions.

bigger contracts for existing players?

Winning bonus being brought back in? Could well be.

do they refuse, or let the club register the player then penalise them for it?

or as they only have to do a monthly return, Wigan have until the end of April to get their cap in order before Gleeson starts to count.

I think they are unworkable with the salary cap, a major downside of it

I'm sure they refuse. As the cap is 'live' the club should have current figures, and thus the RFL will be able to assess if a signing will take a club over.

I think we would have had the space to bring Gleeson in, with the help of Mathers wage being freed up.

IMO we now have the cap space freed up by Mossop and Goulding which could result in mid-season signing or improved deals/extensions for current players

Us at Saints have a strong rumour about Tom Armstrongs contract being "enhanced" once he plays 5 first team games and this is a reason we have not seen him since the 4th game etc.. not many believe it and i myself am sceptical (not even sure if he has made 4 or 5 etc..)

But if something similar was to exist you'd have to think due to Ainscough and Tomkins continued presence in the team might have led to their deals being improved to the point of needing more room.

Mossop
Goulding
Pryce

and perhaps- Flanny to go out on loan? Would be good business, free up cap for another player and give some players week in week out first team action.

If they are not for gleeson, you can see potentially well over 100k availiable there for a class signing