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| no disrespect to young tomkins,he needs a bit more time,but tonights match prooved that we are lacking a seasoned stand off.
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| The lad is quality but he's playing within himself a little at the moment. He's not taking the line on enough which really is his strong suit.
I really do hope it's just early career nerves holding his running game back and not Noble.
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| i thought he did nt play bad
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| Disappointed we played Mcillorum instead of Smith, tonight was made for his cut out passess.
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| Quote ="loyalwiganer"no disrespect to young tomkins,he needs a bit more time,but tonights match prooved that we are lacking a seasoned stand off.'"
A bit harsh the lad didn't let anyone down and he had the bollox to try thing's i.e little chip kicks,took the line on and didn't get caught out in defence.
Just out of interest what did you expect????
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| I think Tomkins had a fairly good game tonight, he can't win every game on his own, i will say it again I would of liked to of seen Smith out there tonight off the bench. Leuluai needed to step up as well to put the whole of our hopes on Sam is just plain stupid.
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| To me Eastmond is much more suited to SL at the moment than Tomkins. In my opinion the exposure to first team last year has pushed him ahead of Tomkins, hopefully we will reap the rewards later in the year and future more than Saints will from Eastmond.
On the plus side it does look like we have 2 quality halves who have the potential to be anything in the game.
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| Quote ="loyalwiganer"no disrespect to young tomkins,he needs a bit more time,but tonights match prooved that we are lacking a seasoned stand off.'"
As a saints fan I think in two seasons time he will prove a worthy asset. He is a keeper. Don't sell this one to buy an aging Aussie import
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| to keep the present squad i would put phelps at stand off and bring young tomkins on as and when.
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| Some very harsh comments here. He seems the real deal to me. I can see a future england half back partnership with eastmond at 6. He will be world class if coached well (send him our way if you like ). Top class
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| Quote ="jonh"To me Eastmond is much more suited to SL at the moment than Tomkins. In my opinion the exposure to first team last year has pushed him ahead of Tomkins, hopefully we will reap the rewards later in the year and future more than Saints will from Eastmond.
On the plus side it does look like we have 2 quality halves who have the potential to be anything in the game.'"
Stick Tomkins in the Saints team and he would be the best player the SL have ever seen. The point is Saints didn't need to rely of Eastmond tonight, all our hopes and dreams are pinned on Tomkins & Ainscough.
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| Quote ="jjb10"Stick Tomkins in the Saints team and he would be the best player the SL have ever seen. The point is Saints didn't need to rely of Eastmond tonight, all our hopes and dreams are pinned on Tomkins & Ainscough.'"
Disagree. Eastmond was under pressure tonight and came up with some real touches of composure and class. He is also more physically developed. Don't think he is a better prospect just has developed a bit quicker at this moment in time, both should go on to be international players.
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| no-one is crtisizing the young lad,and that is what he is,just needs a bit more time, and yes he could be a world beater.if barrett was still here tomkins would have played a few matches some off the bench and would have gained the experience.so lets get real and nuture the lad the correct way.
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| Cracking little player he is although I think he looked a little bit tired tonight. He probably needs a few games off to to freshen up, then get him back in the side. I think runs of games that young Sam and Kallum Watkins have had are perfect for exposing young players to super league. At no point do I think youngsters should have one game here and there and then be wrapped back up in cotton wool.
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| Quote ="jonh"Disagree. Eastmond was under pressure tonight and came up with some real touches of composure and class. He is also more physically developed. Don't think he is a better prospect just has developed a bit quicker at this moment in time, both should go on to be international players.'"
A couple of points under pressure?? He came back into a team on form and had what 20mins +, no pressure at all, the whole of Wigan are hoping Sam is super man. Besides this is not the boys first season in super league.
What I do agree is I dont feel he is a better prospect just the right person, in the right place at the right time. Unfortuanatley for Sam he is the right person, in the right place at the wrong time.
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| Tomkins was good tonight - as were 15 other players.
He will be a England player for years. It would help if we had a proper #7 alongside him, thats not a slant at Tommy, he is a great player but im not sure how suited they are to playing together.
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| Tomkins is already a SL standard player. Yes, he needs to be protected from burn-out but if you are good enough then you're old enough. Faz, Robinson and Edwards played at even younger ages...
I can't understand why anyone would suggest playing Smith or Phelps ahead of Tomkins. Phelps is a very limited player and Smith simply hasn't delivered. We need to have faith in our younger players.
The main problem tonight was the apparent lack of planned moves - do we practise any moves in training? - which is a coaching issue. This game was yet another piece of evidence for the Noble Doubters. I hope BN's dull Bratfut tactics and methods don't stifle Tomkins' creativity.
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| Quote ="AJ"Tomkins was good tonight - as were 15 other players.
He will be a England player for years. It would help if we had a proper #7 alongside him, thats not a slant at Tommy, he is a great player but im not sure how suited they are to playing together.'"
Its abit early to say, they need a season together to gel. Pryce didnt play well for his first half season at saints
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| I can't believe anyone would say he should be dropped.
All i'm saying is for the lad to back himself a little more. He's a class act and a great runner but he looks a little tentative about running the ball in at the moment incase he upsets his teamates.
He's ging to be a wow of a player.
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| Personally would like to see Tomkins drop in at 7 with TL at 6, think on the link plays TL would be more effective at second receiver because of his ability to beat a man in open play.
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| Quote ="jonh"Personally would like to see Tomkins drop in at 7 with TL at 6, think on the link plays TL would be more effective at second receiver because of his ability to beat a man in open play.'"
TL is no more a Number 6 than Feka.
TL is a 9 end of.
Tomkins age and experience was shown tonight (as was Ainscoughs on a couple of occasions).
That's ok. They ARE young.
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| Leuluai is a 9 without doubt. He does a job at 7 but we could really do with an organiser at 7.
As stated plenty of times everyone knows what we need and thats a 7 and a world class prop.
I hope Lenagan provides them for us.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Leuluai is a 9 without doubt. He does a job at 7 but we could really do with an organiser at 7.
As stated plenty of times everyone knows what we need and thats a 7 and a world class prop.
I hope Lenagan provides them for us.'"
Spot on.
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| Here is an idea, off the bench "NOBLE USE SMITH!!!!!!!!!!"
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| Quote ="jjb10"Here is an idea, off the bench "NOBLE USE SMITH!!!!!!!!!!"'"
In what way is that an idea?
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