True it does, but it also makes Fielden work twice as hard as well, and perhaps it's the reason why he look's lethargic and is dominated a lot in the tackle area.

The problem with his technique is he doesnt bump that man off by charging through them, he hits the 1st man turning all his speed into a stomp that means that the 1st man almost always bounces off and he says stood. But the problem is then he is stationary and the next man puts him down much easier.

Compare that to Feka's technique of driving into the tackle and making sure his legs keep on pedalling, not only meaning he keeps moviong forward but also makes it hard to grab his legs while their still moving. This IMO is a perfect driving technique for a prop.

IMO if Fielden did this rather than his stomp and stop style he would be far more effective as im sure he would still bounce the 1st man off if he was running full speed just as he does when he stops to brace for the tackle.

Coley is a great example of how driving in the tackle is so important, he doesnt exactly run with all his effort into the tackle but once men are on him he always pushes them back by continuing to drive hard with his legs.

The tackle busts reflect how broken Fielden is. He is now afraid to try to run through the gap/at defenders so he either does his bump ploy or he hits the ground upon impact. He has little natural RL skill because he did not play the game seriously until his late teens.

Hang on a minute that sounds like the kind of advice a coach would give to a player to improve his game, right another thing to add to my list of why I want Noble out, "Not coaching the players correctly" oh hang on a minute that was the first thing I wrote on my list, that he's not improved players personal performance while he's been at the club.

Whether we like it or not he will be here next season.

There really is no excuses for IL at the end of next season because we have so many players coming off contract and there are many more quality players going to be available.

Tbh What i can see happening is this..just like higham towards the end of next season he will probs try book his ideas up for a new contract we will either fall for it and give him a contract (if noble stays) and he will be Sh*t again( because as i rember towards the england he was in a bit of form to try get to england ,dint get their then stopped makin effot)

or it'll be our look for him to gain form at a club like wire,saints or leeds

on lower money .

get rid asap

would rather have o'barrell in the team than the useless pudding that is stuart fielden

Fielden is used in a different way to Peacock, Fielden is there in the Wigan side to compensate for Feka's lack of defensive qualities, that is why he comes on at the same time Feka does. feka's job is to carry the ball in, Fielden's is too cover for Feka, once Feka does at least 2 run's the opposition target him in the defensive line, Fielden's job is to protect him. IMO we would see a better Fielden if we got rid of Feka, as that not doing too happen he will keep having to do his thankless task, and keep taking the e from people like you. No offence.

None of that explains why Fielden is garbage when carrying the ball.

If you truely believe that the worlds gone mad!

So Fielden is cack because Mason punched him, because he doesn't have 3 big units at the side of him like he did at Bradford, because of off-field trauma's, because of burn out, because he's lost his passion for the game and now because he's being used solely to drag Feka's ar*e through a game



In truth it's a mixture of a few of those but whatever way we look at it he's pretty much a spent force.

I'd consider him to be doing an ok job if he were on 60-70k a year but he's not, he's our highest paid and most experienced player so therefore he should be producing the very highest quality rugby.

Thankyou for the insult. I believe people are allowed to disagree?

Can I point out that your whole view is based on a misconception on your part. Namely, that Fielden and feka are a pair thay play together to produce a single player. A single player that costs nearly £500,000 pounds each season and leaves Wigan apparently with only 12 players v 13.

It is a misconception on your part because Fielden has not always come off the reserve bench alongside Feka. Very often Fielden started games until recently and of course when Feka goes off the field of play, Fielden is still there.

Even allowing for your misconception how is Jamie Peacock able to do both parts of the props job specification and Stuart Fielden can only do 1 or neither

Exactly. He has no natural feel for the sport because he started playing the game too late. He benefitted from having a great conditioner early in his career. The sport moved on and Fielden lost the conditioner who built him up physically.

I had to leave for an overseas project at short notice. I'm sorry Stuart.

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Got to be honest i've literally just finished watching the replay and was going to come on and post how suprised i was at Fieldens level of preformence.

Watching it closer and out of the heat of the moment he got us some momentum in the 2nd half by constantly finding his front and not getting turned on his back. He didn't made many metres at all but didn't get dominated either.

He did however miss a couple of poor tackles in the first half and made a handling error but overall his preformence was decent.

He can preform so much better for us though. I'd just like to see him look more 'up' for games.

He looks very flat at the moment.

Lets just get something straight about this, Fielden is what 60/70% of the player of 3/4 years ago?????

His wages are whatever they are, we can't do anything about that and irrespective of What we are paying a player I try to look at whether he actually deserves a place in the team.

Fielden I admit has been a disappointment compared to the Very High expectations we ALL had of him.

HOWEVER

There are many things he does bring to the team that aren't "Special" but are needed by the team to make us more effective and these things are often not the Eye Catching things that are Noticed ala Bailey/O'Loughlin

Theres no doubt he's covering Fekas backside in the tackling department and the partnership they seem to have is working in that we no longer seem to look vulnerable just before & Just after HT when Feka is usually on.

His yards per carry arent actually any different than what they have been for the past 5 or 6 seasons inc the season he was ajudged Best forward in the world!

He is making more tackles per game than he has at Any Time in his career and Pro Rata (Considering he's only playing 45/55 minutes each week now comapred to 80 minutes in 2004/2005/2006/2007) He is Averaging Massively more per game.

I believe the Only part of the game (And I admit it was probably the Part we bought him for!) is the Attacking/breaking the line prop of 2005 early 2006!

According to the Stats he used to make 14/15 Clean Breaks a season at bradford, Whilst at Wigan he's made 4 in 3 seasons!!!!!!!!!!!!

However he's now averaging 25/26 tackles a game when only playing what 50mins a game???
He used to average 21/22 tackles a game when playing 80!!!!!!!!

Overall

A disappointment - Yes!

Has he shirked the workload - No!
And given he's probably taking a lot of Payback from other forwards he has dished it out to over the years he's still there week in week out and very rarely misses a game in a Sport where he could find an excuse/injury Not to play each week and collect his money without trying!

That's a really enlightening post.
I think the tackles thing could be down to these days you get two or three men in EVERY tackle. Don't know though, you raised some interesting points.

Very interesting points you have raised here - surprising too!

I think you've just thrown a spanner in the works

That he was overrated ?

Really? Sounds to me like you're paying mega bucks for a player who does what a kid like Paul Clough does for Saints, probably for a 5th of the cash.

Yes really. I wouldn't of thought his metres gained per carry would be more or less on par with his one's at Bradford, nor would of thought his work in defence would be higher than his Bradford days.

It's not to say we should keep him nor am I trying to make out he's a world beater but it certainly does make surprising reading.

Why is it mis conception?

1.Does Fielden come one with Feka. Yes
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2.Does Fielden do more tackling when he is on the field than Feka. Yes.

3.Does Feka do 2 / 3 big runs tires then gets targeted in defence. Yes

4.Is Fielden hated because how much he cost? Yes.

Is the Leeds pack line of, Peacock, Burgess, Leuluai, Lauitiiti, Bailey & Buchcanan, better than ours? IMO yes.

Would Fielden play better in a big pack like Leeds and Warrington than he does in a light weight pack like ours. IMO yes.

Look at S. Burgess had a very good year the other year in a big Bradford pack, not had a good year in a light weight pack this year.

The 1st 4 points are fact, the others are my opinion. You can agree or disagree that's what a debate is about, but you cant doubt Facts.

I presume you know that for certain?

I mean, you would lose any credibility you haven't got if you quoted that without actually knowing, wouldn't you?

Its good to see a thought through reply.
Rather than gets paid too much + Yorkie + Not Feka + Not a crowd pleaser = Crap

The irony BK. I do find it disrespectful that you took the name of a club legend yet behave as you do in his name.

The combined salary of Fielden and Feka is nearly between 400,000 and 500,000 per season. Ask Mick Hogan if you want confirmation.

What a strange poster you appear to be. You think Feka and Fielden are a single player.

How odd.

Does that mean if the opposition break through the tackle of one of them, the other has to step aside and allow them to run through?

Maybe they are not allowed to pass to one another, or have to take it in turns to pack down in the scrum?

I have heard seen some tripe being posted on here over the years. You have only been on 2 minutes and are already making a play for the top 10.

Yeah because I'm sure Mick Hogan would disclose that kind of information

. I highly doubt if he would even know it - he works in the marketing department not payroll as far as I'm aware.

Also given Farrell was our highest earner before leaving on £166,667 per year (£1m 6 year contract) if I remember correctly, I would be very disappointed if Fielden and Feka's combined salaries were above £300k. I would like to think it was more in the £200-250k region at most.