Costs the club more money to organise/staff.
Will take longer to sell our allocation as it will have to be done in stages pushing people towards trying to get tickets from the away club (As alluded to by Matt and others)
This in turn may mean less allocation for future games (As again mentioned by Matt)
Possible problems as people may/will have to queue numerous times to get tickets due to people in same grooup/family/friends having different amounts of loyalty points.
People will still "Borrow" points from friends/family etc meaning people who are not even ST holders etc get to the games (Same problem as now).

Now ask yourself this, Name me 1 occasion when ST holders have not had the chance to buy a ticket to an away game?
I think the answer from Matt was "ZERO"?

If your agreeing that ST holders should get priority over non ST holders then as far as I can see bringing another level of Priority in will solve what?

So what's the problem?

I can name you 1 occasion, we have 3k allocation for saints, 10k season tickets. Il let you do the rest

Mute point.
It's Sunday morning. The day AFTER the ST section of the sales ended. We haven't sold out (as far as I am aware?). Not one season ticket holder has failed to obtain a ticket if they want one.

What's the problem?

no problem this time, as tickets were available online and by phone from day 1 of sale.......the problem is when they do what they did last year for challenge cup and sell to personal callers only on week days. Living 100 miles away and having a job meant i couldnt get a ticke in the lower tier and I hadnt missed 1 away game all season. That's the problem

There are still tickets available though! Every season ticket holder who has wanted a ticket has been able to get one. What's the point of doing an extended loyalty system when we are not selling out our allocation using the current system. If they'd flown out within 5 mins and there were thousands of people complaining they can't get one then I could understand. Other than potential cup semis and finals, this game and possibly Wire away are the only games where the demand for tickets could be higher than the allocation.

FWIW I'd love a complicated away game-based loyalty system to be required as it would mean we'd be selling out all our allocation each week. As it is though, it's not needed.

Classic example of why people that attend the most games should get first priority, more so for cup finals

auntie doris and uncle eddie, who hadnt been to an away game since last cup final at murrayfield or cardiff probably got my lower tier tickets.....lol

If there were phones and online sales for the Challenge Cup then they would still be queuing now, there simply aren't the resources to cope with it. And, again, there was ample opportunity to buy tickets through the RFL for non season ticket holders or people who were unable to get to the DW.

That fan may be more 'loyal' or just richer. If you're going to go down that route, it'd be far better to judge based on whose put the most money into the club - and that's the people who buy and ST every year.

(I don't btw, as I can't afford every game - so it's not as if I'm only saying it as suits my situation best)

You can name it, but you'd be wrong!

At what point have any of those 10k season ticket holders not had a chance to buy a ticket?????
At what point have any of those that didn't buy a ticket (Lets say the other 7k) plus any Non ST holder not had a chance to buy a ticket for the game?

I think the problem here is people focussing on the wrong issue which is the Away club maybe should not be selling to the general public an area of the ground that at a future point is going to have some kind of restricted sale on it until the "Away" club has had chance to sell that allocation.

i.e

Send Wigan there 3k or whatever it is and if they're on sale for 3/5 days or whatever then put the rest (To Home and away fans) on general sale after that.

Either way your "Statement" is wrong as any fan has had (And still has I believe) the chance to buy tickets from St Helens and/or Wigan still?
How would the Loyalty points help then?

Over to you, I'll let you try and come up with a valid reason coz as far as I can see your just peeing in the wind over an issue that isn't one.
"I'll let you do the rest" ? I know your prone to the odd exagaration to make a point but even for you that's a pretty poor effort!

I also couldn't get to buy tickets at the club. I'd already known that before the semi as you presumably did.

I used my loaf; I stood on the terraces as Wire after the hooter in the Semi and stood still for 20minutes (while all you lot bounced about) and purchased via the RFL on my phone.

I've said it before, there ARE means and ways which means nobody is much disadvantaged for our two major finals.

My point is, that we have 10k Season ticket holders, but 3k tickets, meaning that 7,000 wont get tickets i appreciate that some people cant make it or dont want to go but im willing to bet that more than 3k Wiganers want to go to Saints away. So, in my opinion, that 10,000 should be filtered down so that the 3k people that DO get tickets are the people that went to the most away games last season, using a loyalty system. I cant really see a reason that that particular system isn't fair, its the fairest way to do it.

My statement is wrong, IN YOUR OPINION.

Your willing to bet that more than 3k WANT to go to Saints.
I'll have that bet with you.


We haven't sold out to ST holders. We haven't sold out 3k tickets to the more than 3k ST holders who want to go?????

How may of those members would swap their membership for a ticket on derby day? A lot of them I would guess...

Its 5 weeks off the game yet.


The only reason you dont want a loyalty system is because your not a season ticket holder.

Do you seriously think that there will be less than 3k Wigan fans at Saints?? Dont make me laugh.

LOL. Yea, that's the only reason. Haha! You really are hilarious with this

Hilarious? In what way? Do I not have a valid arguement? And its a neutral arguement by the way as I am a Season Ticket holder that attends 90% of games.

Whats LOL mean? You'll have to explain that to me as im over the age of 16.

Deary me. You really are a petty boy

Petty?

"LOL. Yea, that's the only reason. Haha! You really are hilarious with this"

Very hypocritical.

Paul

1st thing I will ask is "Why have those 7k who won't get tickets not bought any of the tickets that have been and currently are on sale?"
Could that be that they don't want to go and haven't tried? Stop quoting 10k ST holder because it doesn't matter, for Every game we've got there will always be more ST holders at Wigan than what the away club gives us.
How would any Loyalty system change that?

Your mistaking the issue here in that more than 3k "May" want to go and we do have 10k ST holders

BUT

Those 10k ST holders have all had a chance to buy tickets and Less than 3k actually bought them Without a Loyalty system in place!!! How would the loyalty system have helped with these particular tickets?
PLUS at what point in your Loyalty scheme does it make the Away team give us more tickets if they don't want to?

Saints have give us 3k, every ST holder has had the chance to buy one and any non-ST holder has had the chance to get one from Saints.
Whether they should have been allowed to put them on general sale at Saints before giving Wigan ST holders a chance to buy them is another issue.

Having any Loyalty system in place will not change the FACT that Saints will give us what they want to and in this instance Demand "may" outeigh supply but not to the extent that it has affected anyone that would benefit from the loyalty system you would put in place.
Not to mention you've ignored leyther matt's insight onto the situation i.e it would be a logistical problem for the club to run which in turn could have major detrimental knock on effect for future attendance to games and cost to the club.

if you feel so strongly about the situation I would suggest that you write a letter with your suggestion and send it to the club?
I for one would "Love" to see any response you get to that.

PS

You said you could name me 1 occasion were supply of tickets for ST holders was not enough and you named this game.
Well your wrong, there are still Tickets left, that's not an opinion That's Fact.
Even if they do sell out in next couple of days any ST holder will have had over a week to get one and I would suggest they've had more than enough time to get one and could still get one from Saints if they wanted.

Would you be having this argument if Saints had a decent sized stadium? The root cause of this is a ground which is too small, the rest is just detail; attempting to manage difficulties caused by the inadequate capacity of Trailer Park Stadium....

The game is 5 weeks away, people are still having to fork out for Widnes and a lot probably havn't thought about Saints yet.

Another example is Cup finals, if your happy that people who have missed 70% or more of games in the season are just as entitled to you, that have probably missed none to a ticket in the FIRST sale, this means probably getting better seats, then thats fine, but I know a lot that aren't.

I dont feel "strongly" about it, I just think that its the fairest way to sell tickets for games with smaller allocations, hence the reason why every premier league football club in the country use the said system.

Loyalty system regarding away tickets would never work. On the basis of what's been said, the allocation of away tickets are going to go to the same fans every time as its based on the number of games attended.

I managed to get a ticket for the Saints game no problem and I'm not a season ticket holder!

Anyway this thread is based on the Loyal 18 Membership and for me it has been great and I have already returned what I have spent on it through the discounts and offers available. Its a great idea!