Can we please just not accept he's a bright future for the Wigan Left Wing?

Him and Pryce will be the left wing partnership for many years to come, turn wood.

Yes his performances have dropped, in a lower standard of rugby. What was teh excuse of the other 17players a few weeks ago?

You can't just question one players performances. I just think you are looking for the answer yes it's Noble's fault.

Are you a Noble Hater/Outer??

So that makes it okay to single him out?

Everyone has made a big deal over Richie Myler this year and Joe Westerman last year - did you see their coaches make comments like Noble's?



Then surely it was best not to say anything at all?



So you believe he was just going to put in brilliant performances for a few weeks and then suddenly go dire?

And you honestly say that Noble made the right decision in dropping Ainscough after that Wakefield performance and made those comments about him given the form than Ainscough is in now?

Maybe we will have to agree to disagree?



He dropped Ainscough for the Celtic Crusaders match at home after he had scored 7 tries in his last 3 appearances and then wasn't going to play him in the Wakefield game but Carmont pulled out. Ainscough scored another four tries in that game and then Noble dropped him and since then he has only appeared twice and never looked the same player.

How has he got from stunning performance at Wakefield to average performance against Warrington and Celtic Crusaders?

Dropping him after the Wakefield performance and the comments in the press seem to be the reason.



Hey if we all had the same opinions the world would be a boring place.



Well I can't say I have ever come across them but it looks like we might agree again because they are wrong.



Yikes! I don't think we will agree on this one.



Maybe. But some of the tries he scored was just individual brilliance.



It takes a bit more than time. It takes the correct coaching and clearly I believe Brian Noble has not provided this as his downturn in performances suggest.



They have had the dominance of the last five years due to doing things like that. It's not a bad thing what they did at all. James Graham made his debut at 17 in a very weak side against Les Catalans and look how he has turned out. It's actually a very good move by Saints. It is why they are top.

He has a possible bright future ahead of him - yes.



Well they look a long way away from it. Especially Pryce.



The other 17 players? How many players did we have out there?



Well I am looking for an answer you got that bit right. Just no-one has give me one.

I'm not a lets all slate Brian Noble for everything and every move made by the club but have performances been up to scratch this season? Are you happy where we are? Do we look like finishing in 4th and either equalling or better the results of previous years?

If it isn't Noble's fault for the downturn in form of Sean Ainscough then who else's is it?

Mathers!

He was making basic mistakes but you expect this from any young players. Nevertheless he was putting in some brililant performances and making some runs and moves that were way beyond his years and something I have not seen from a Wigan winger for a long time. The ability to take people on down the wing and create something from nothing with sharp acceleration was making him one of our best performers and were cancelling out his errors that you expect a lad of his age to make.

The irony is without Sean Ainscough I doubt Brian Noble would still be in a job. (Harlequins away).

I will take your word for it he is being coached and improvements are being made. You watch the reserves more than me and probably have a greater knowledge - so I will agree to disagree and hope you are correct.

Shaun Ainscough's drop in form, could be down himself, could be Noble, could be Mathers, could be the fact a deal to go to another club is affecting him, who knows apart from him.

But I don't beleive it's Noble incident

Our form of the last 2 games shows that we are a good club in facing tricky circumstances, we can come through the other side better than most. If we play our young guns in big games I think they can come through for us. It's not ideal but I am not worried just yet.

Does any of this diatribe address the point I made in my post that Noble was wrong to say what he said? No.

Do you spend your time canvassing opinion in pubs and clubs? I have no idea but I am sure the board would be interested to know if that is how you spend your spare time.

As to the jibe about the Noble fan club, given you are so quick to interject from the sidelines about my posts offering nothing to the debate you will have to pardon me for having a little dig back.

Whenever someone raises a point about stuff you disagree with your only response is to go flying off at a tangent. I have not yet seen a coherent argument from you as to why Noble is a good Wigan coach (note the word Wigan in this sentence).

Dave

Because Dave,

When anyone disagrees with anything you have to say you claim, as you have done above, that none of the posters comments answer what you asked, you try to belittle them, you ignore any points they make of relevance to promote your own egotistical views etc etc etc.

When I do go to Pubs and clubs, and I don't know what your trying to infer above, I listen and talk and disagree & agree with people who have played the game and coached at Amateur & Professional for 20/30/40/50 years and most of the time they don't resolve to veiled threats and sarcastic Know it all Jibes like some do on here!
If they did they'd get knocked on their s by their own mates, but either way I know their thoughts on the game are more informed than yours will ever be!

As for why Noble is a good "Wigan" coach! (I have noted the word Wigan and I'll ask you "Why does it make it any different that he's a "Wigan" coach"?)

I have many reasons why I think he's a good coach and many why I think is time may be up & better spent elsewhere.

TBH they would be wasted on you as always you will choose to Highlight every one that backs your "Noble Out" campaign and ignore any that may show him in a good light!
You take pessimism way to far!

Has there been any official news on the injurys yet? or does anyone know how long we will be with out them?

Regards Ainscough i make no secret of how good i think he is and will be clearly he has flaws but who does not?

His performances in the lower grades have never been consistently wonderful. I think he has played some unbelievable stuff one week and then be very average the next, i think this is more down to the level he is playing at, and partly his attitude to playing it ie that he is too good for it and sometimes he does not get up for it or apply himself fully. I am not defending his attitude or at least the way i see it, but it does seem to me to be the case.

I would not personally read too much into his lower grade performances because of this, although i think it does show a lack of maturity in his attitude.

Roberts in my opinion is also good value for his place at the moment, although i still think long term his position will be 1 for us, he does seem to be playing much more like a 1 of late with some of his kick chases for example and his positioning on the field joining the line inside his centre at times.

Within the space of 2 weeks we have lost 4 players:

Hock - Gone

Smith - Possibly season over, scan this week will decide

Lockers - 6 Weeks

Micky Mac - 6 Weeks.

Make it five.
Hansen suspected broken hand, 4 - 6 weeks.

Make it six
O'Carroll, needs another op.

6-8 weeks.

Time for Mossop to return if that is the case.

Fair play to the lad for comming back on when we were short.

This is the perfect oppertunity to get Mossop back and give Farrell a run. it will do them the world of good to get some games under there belt prior to next season.

it allows TL to get a bit of a run as a 9 and will allow Pryce a run either at (if gleeson is moved to 6) or at 2nd row ?? (i feel the extra intensity of the position will help his fitness no end).
I think some good can come from this situation

Could be looking at both Mossop and Farrell in the 17 next week, one in fact will probably start with Bailey and Tomkins.

Not really sure what to do with the hooking role - I suppose you could play Leuluai there, move Phelps to the halves, Roberts to fullback and Ainscough/Pryce to the wings. Alternatively you could play Gleeson in the halves although I personally wouldn't do that.

Disappointing news with the injuries but exciting in a way that we'll see some new faces and a fresh structure to the side, be interesting to see how we cope. Certainly if there was one area to have an injury crisis, the second row would be the one where we're most able to cope.

Does anyone think we will recall goulding From salford.

Good Idea in terms of playing wise, Wether the Salary Cap will allow????
Although given the Hock situation that may relieve some funds soon.

i go with that, but i would put pryce at 6 and leave the backline alone.

I still think unless we get more injuries in the threequaters Goulding wont return.

The team next week could be:

Phelps
Amos
Pryce ( Assuming Gleeson is still injured)
Carmont
Richards
Sam
Tommy
Coley
Riddell
Preccy
Joel
Bailey
Flanagan

Feca
Fielden
Pryce ( If Gleeson is fit )
Mossop ( He must be recalled given we have 2 back rowers injured)

18 TH Man Farrell or Ainscough

Given Gleeson will probably return this would be ok. however, should Gleeson be injured surley Goulding will be recalled.

I'd go with

Richards
Roberts
Gleeson/Pryce
Carmont
Ainscough
Phelps
Sam
Coley
Riddell
Prescott
Joel
Bailey
Flanagan

Tommy
Feka
Fielden
Farrell

IMO Farrell and Flanagan are both ready for some first team exposure. Flanagan has always impressed me when I've seen him play at 6, he's got good hands. Would like to see him slot in as a straight replacement for Lockers on Friday.

Leave Mossop at Hudds for now, but he should be Hock's replacement for 2010.

Personally I wouldn't like to move the backline round to much from number 1-5, past few games, they've seemed to bond well and all seem to play their prefered positions.

So keep

1 - Phelps
2 - Roberts
3 - Gleeson/Pryce
4 - Carmont/Pyrce
5 - Richards

Moving on to the 6 and 7 area. With Macca now being out of the frame for up to 8weeks, I suppose this means Tommy will be moved into the 9 area, interchanging with Riddell. From the start I'd expect Tommy to play the whole 80mins, starting games with.

6 - S. Tomkins
7 - Leulaui

9 - Riddell

Big risk, but would anyone give Stefan Marsh ago at the big time? Start him on the bench, after 20mins, introduce him to play.

6 - S. Marsh
7 - S. Tomkins

9 - Leulaui

I know it's a very very young 6/7/9 area at that point, but the bonds between Marsh and Tomkins are there from teh Reserves side.

The forward pack, I'm expecting Mossop to stay at Hudd. Giving Farrell and Flan ago.

8 - Coley
9 - Riddell
10 - Prescott
11 - Bailey
12 - J. Tomkins
13 - Flanagan

This is what Flanagan as been waiting for, not saying he's been waiting for Locker's to hurt himself, but the opportunity to show himself in the squad, about time he got ago. Farrell to come off the bench.

Bench being

Feka
Fielden
Farrell
Marsh

Absoultly no chance that we should play Marsh, IMO Flanagan, Phelps, Roberts and Lockers are all ahead of him to play 6 atm if needed.

Flanagan should play 6 IMO.

Bring Farrell in at SR and play Tomkins at 13.

Get Mossop back from Loan. Hudds are dropping off the pace now, he will get more experience playing with us IMO.

Understand were your coming from. Flan is ok at 6 in the reserves, pressure isn't applied as quick. In SL, he isn't quick enough. IMO

I also feel Farrell is a sencond rower to come off the bench, isn't ready to start SL games, introduce him after the players he's against have already taken 20minutes of beasting. Not good enough yet to start against experienced, fresh second rowers.

As I said Phelps and Roberts need to stay were they are, they are getting use to their areas more and more every game. But for the one game, why not give him ago? If it doesn't work, play Phelps, Roberts, Gleeson at 6.

I would go with:

1- Phelps
2- Roberts
3- Gleeson (if not Pryce)
4- Carmont
5- Richards
6- Tomkins
7- Leuluai
8- Coley
9- Riddell
10- Prescott
11- Bailey
12- Tomkins
13- Flanagan

Paleasina
Fielden
Farrel
?

Got one place left on the bench, and wouldn't want to bring back Goulding or Mossop.