When has doing the best you can been good enough for one of the top jobs in rugby league if you lack ability?!

We would all try our hardest and so should anyone in the position of Wigan coach it is a priviladged position to have.

IFL is clearly looking out for the future of the club by hoping to appoint a new man next year, we do not know what IFL has told Noble regards the situation or how he has treated him, apart from second of third hand paper talk.

.... but, but, but, but what about the 'RLFANS sources', they're always on the money?

For those who think the moderators made this up let me tell you how (this has worked) and how it always works.

Ultimately the rumour/chinese whispers/lie started somewhere.

One way or another it was passed on to a mod, by a friend of a mod.

The mods are friends, and when one of the says they believe their source..the others believe.

It also wouldn't surprise me if the source was a mutual friend of each mod.

Surprisingly the rumour hits here and all the mods post independentaly on it..hey presto you all think they hoodwinked you.

The a friend of one of the mods comes on and says...



and hey presto, it had nothing to do with the mods

How confident are you? how much would you put up to back yourself?

A bag of skips and a bottle of panda pop.

You're right, like I said earlier believing it's a deliberate made up scam is giving it far too much credit.

MattyB is spot on.

Endacott was given the boot - we were third in the table for Christ sake when that happened.

I can accept not winning, but won't accept our current position in Super League.

The simple truth is this.. we are not improving as a team, not at all. Noble has had a good go, and had longer than some - so enough is enough, time for a change.

If he doesn't go now, we will just drift along to the end of the season.'"

Well it's funny you should mention that!

My lips are sealed, but watch this space...

Depends if you think the quotes attributed to Noble on the BBC web site are accurate or not. There he basically says he knew IL was sounding out Kearney because of his contacts down under. Don't you find that a bit of a strange situation and find it rather odd our coach is telling the media he has found out what our chairman is doing regarding his (Noble's) job through his mates?

Dave

I got it off 21-12 who swore me to secrecy. It's all his fault!

Ban him.

I guess it also depends on who you have the most disdain for - Brian Noble or Ian Lenagan.

In your case, Dave, it's difficult to tell.

Whatever intrigues IL has been getting involved in recently, BN is also playing a political game here. He's applied for other jobs himself when it's suited him, and has been bleating more to the press than any previous Wigan coach I've ever known (on occasion coming over as being rather pathetic: "I can't wait forever"icon_wink.gif. Perhaps if he'd concentrated more on doing his job, these moves to replace him wouldn't have been necessary.

At the end of the day, however it's done, and however people may be offended by the process, we need a better coach than Brian Noble. He's clearly not going to go quietly, but if that's the price we must pay, so be it.

Pooter's deal was agreed nearly 12 months before he joined Saints. Worst kept secret in RL.

Haven't we had enoug wind ups for one week?

I agree I have zero sympathy for BN even if he has not been told officially he has gone, he has played the game well enough and come out on top its about time he lost one.

Last year at contract time the Les Cats story came out, this year it was the Roosters story, he came out of the Bradfor situation looking like some sort of hero despite being an integral part in there decline, he got out just at the right time, so it appears this time he is on the recieving end of it. Live by the sword die by the sword.

I am not sure what that has got to do with it being odd Noble is telling everyone he found out what IL was up to from contacts down under.



So what? Our chairman was supposed to usher in a new era that would move away from the perceived skulduggery of Mo and DW so if BN wants to behave as you describe that does not mean IL should be excused from going about things in a proper manner IMO.



We do need a better coach but the way the whole thing has and is being handled is IMO very poor. It isn't just to do with whether or not BN will be upset about it but what it shows about how IL goes about things. If you want are prepared to accept an "ends justify the means" approach because you want Noblle out that is up to you but your are IMO ignoring the wider picture.

Dave

and it was adifferent situation, DA wanted to leave saints and told us when he joined that he would go home after his contract. with a year to go he confirmed this to allow saints to invite applications. Wigan didn't know (and still possibly dont) if they are going to retain Noble or not with less than half a season remaining.

www.wigantoday.net/warriors/The- ... 5405295.jp The post reckons the end if nigh for Noble but by the sounds of it he'll do until the end of this season which is no suprise. The bit that made me laugh is where it says alot of Wigan fans are becoming increasingly unhappy about the treatment of Noble by Ian Lenagan.............are they taking the p*ss? The vast majority of fans would go and clear his desk for him yesterday if it meant he was leaving

www.wigantoday.net/warriors/The- ... 5405295.jp The post reckons the end if nigh for Noble but by the sounds of it he'll do until the end of this season which is no suprise. The bit that made me laugh is where it says alot of Wigan fans are becoming increasingly unhappy about the treatment of Noble by Ian Lenagan.............are they taking the p*ss? The vast majority of fans would go and clear his desk for him yesterday if it meant he was leaving

Another rumour that is rubbish.

There's no real wider picture than the survival of Wigan RL as a major force. That is what IL is trying to achieve. Brian Noble, I'd guess, would say the same for his own efforts, but thus far he's failed badly, and his other actions - applying for other jobs etc - would suggest that it isn't his priority anyway.

We've still only got your word for it that IL has been going about his business in an incorrect fashion. You seem to be basing every assumption about his character on occasional comments made in the press. Surely you accept that white lies and half-truths occasionally have to be given, along with get-outs, stock answers and all the other usual things that CEOs sometimes find necessary if they don't want to compromise behind-the-scenes activity?

You also seem to be starting from the position that IL is an untrustworthy person whereas BN is telling the absolute whole truth. That's also what you did when Steve McNamara and the Wakey chairman both tried to secure their position at IL's expense. To be honest, Dave, its all getting repetitive, this. You accuse me of always defending IL, but you never seem to miss an opportunity to cast an aspersion on him. At least in my favour he's only a year and a half into the job, and still trying to reform the club in his own image. If he's till achieved nothing two or three years for now, I'll join the chorus of dissent. But you got stuck into him almost straight away. There is a certain breed of Wigan fan who is determined to find fault with everything the club tries to do, and, though I have a lot of time for many of your posts, you do tend to embody that type of thinking.

I'm definitely signing off on this conversation now, because it's tedious and, frankly, unimportant in the greater run of events.

I think people are sick of it being dragged out and IMO Noble has been harshly treated. The situation will become more tricky if we won the CC.

It will, but it shouldn't. This season has been unacceptable and two good performances to win the cup (considering we practically had a bye to the semis) shouldn't mask what has been a very poor season for Wigan RL.

I agree though that Noble has been treated poorly by the fans in particular. I have personally believed that Noble should have gone at the end of last season, but I understood why he had been given another year to try and turn things around. However, some of the criticism he has faced has not been warranted, and he has clearly been in charge of a team not fully comitted to the club at all points this season, and despite our weaknesses having been obvious for three seasons now, he has not been given the prop we so desperately need to really challenge for silverware.

Once Noble has left the club (most likely at the end of the season) and the dust settles as it were, I think most fans will be very thankful for the efforts Brian has put in. He inherited a relegation bound team and has transformed the club in to what has proved to be the third best team in the competition in the previous two years.

He undoubtedly leaves the club in a much better state than when he joined it even if recvnt performances do not support such a claim. However, ultimately, I think it is best for club [iand[/i coach that we part company.

I have a horrible feeling, that we may be hearing another rendition of the 'your not fit to wear the shirt' before the year is out.

It may even come as close as the next home game, which is i think quins.

I really hope this doesnt happen, as that was perhaps the most uncomfortable thing i have ever witnessed as a supporting fan.

Just hope the events of the last couple of weeks make them (the players) pull their socks up, but on past experience, i doubt it!