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| Quote ="converted warrior"in the first half though werent they? We had plenty of time to turn the game round. So do you blame Gleeson as well for the 4 points he cost us at the end by missing the tackle? I dont blame anyone - good hard game.'"
4 points are 4 points no matter if they were in the first half or last min. Gleeson missed a tackle he did not give away stupid penalty's in front of the sticks Coley gives away to many penalty's he need to clean up his game and has needed to since he played for Salford.
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| Feka for 20 mins has got to be better than Tuson for zero minutes. As hard as our props appear to work during a game none of them to have the capability to make that game changing break, which in big games is the difference and despite all his faults Feka can do. Our props are 'plodders' especially Prescott.
On another note I am not sure which is worst to have in the side, Feka for some of his alleged defensive shortcomings(which I feel have been blown out of all proportion) or the likes of Bailey and Coley who give easy yardage away time after time with a commbination of penalties in the case of Bailey and dropped ball and penalty after penalty in the case of Coley.
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| Not sure Feka would have been the right call in those conditions. Think Farrell was unlucky not to come back on. Not sure how having tuson on the bench helped?
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| Quote ="warriorweed"Feka for 20 mins has got to be better than Tuson for zero minutes. As hard as our props appear to work during a game none of them to have the capability to make that game changing break, which in big games is the difference and despite all his faults Feka can do. Our props are 'plodders' especially Prescott.
On another note I am not sure which is worst to have in the side, Feka for some of his alleged defensive shortcomings(which I feel have been blown out of all proportion) or the likes of Bailey and Coley who give easy yardage away time after time with a commbination of penalties in the case of Bailey and dropped ball and penalty after penalty in the case of Coley.'"
Completly agree, i personally feel that MM's treatment of Feka has been pretty harsh. Prescott has had more than enough chances and unfortunatly hasnt progressed and still comes up with the same errors in the majority of games he plays but he is still chosen so i feel it may well be more than a RL issue between the two of them. Bringing Feka on for a handful of drives would have gained us more yards than an 80 min stint from Prescott. No doubt Feka will be gone at the end of the year but i feel MM's desire not to play him may have contributed to todays defeat.
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| Quote ="V For Vendetta"Mossop, Hansen, O'Carroll, Phelps all injured, and all could have played today.'"
If they would have played, who would have made way for them ?
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| Quote ="St pete"If they would have played, who would have made way for them ?'"
Chris Tuson for one at a guess.
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| Quote ="JTB"Chris Tuson for one at a guess.'"
Yep i guess that would be one, was fat feka injured or dropped?
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| Great game today from both sides.
You had us on the rack for at least 70 mins but couldnt finish. Your long kicking game was better but I dont recall any significant short kicking and in those conditions that was a major error given the territorial advantage you had certainly for most of the first half.
For me the crucial factor was our pack which played for the full 80... forgive me but I think yours played well for 70 which is understandable given your coaches decisions both pre match and late on ?????
The try itself was worthy of the victory Smith beat 2 men and carried 2 over the line.
Chariot like celebrations afterwards...what goes round comes round eh.
Forget the ref he was more or less the same for both sides.
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| Quote ="Babyface Finlayson"Completly agree, i personally feel that MM's treatment of Feka has been pretty harsh. Prescott has had more than enough chances and unfortunatly hasnt progressed and still comes up with the same errors in the majority of games he plays but he is still chosen so i feel it may well be more than a RL issue between the two of them. Bringing Feka on for a handful of drives would have gained us more yards than an 80 min stint from Prescott. No doubt Feka will be gone at the end of the year but i feel MM's desire not to play him may have contributed to todays defeat.'"
The thing is though, we don't work with Feka day in day out in training, and don't have the benefit of knowing exactly what discussions Madge has had with him. It's therefore pretty hard for us to make an informed call on whether it's harsh or not.
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| Quote ="St pete"Yep i guess that would be one, was fat feka injured or dropped?'"
He'd have to make the team in the first place to be dropped. Guess he did enough Good Friday and can put his feet up for the season now pal!
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"Great game today from both sides.
You had us on the rack for at least 70 mins but couldnt finish. Your long kicking game was better but I dont recall any significant short kicking and in those conditions that was a major error given the territorial advantage you had certainly for most of the first half.
For me the crucial factor was our pack which played for the full 80... forgive me but I think yours played well for 70 which is understandable given your coaches decisions both pre match and late on ?????
The try itself was worthy of the victory Smith beat 2 men and carried 2 over the line.
Chariot like celebrations afterwards...what goes round comes round eh.
I agree with all that.
Forget the ref he was more or less the same for both sides.'"
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| Quote ="JTB"He'd have to make the team in the first place to be dropped. Guess he did enough Good Friday and can put his feet up for the season now pal!'"
Whats good friday got to do with leeds knocking wigan out of the cc on the 29th of may 2010?
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| Quote ="inside_man"He did just as much as Roberts today. Don't know what you expect of him, Donald was non-existant all game as welll.'"
Just for him to come inside and help our forwards out considering we played with a bench of 3. I said in my post he did well to clean up that grubber and didn't put a foot wrong (in that he made 0 mistakes), but when you've someone of that size on the park, for them to not do any of the hard yards on a day like today is criminal imo.
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| After watching the game today, Pryce for some one of his size sure went to ground easy enough in the tackle.Didnt see him make any real impact a big lad like him should be smashing players out the way.
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| This thread just shows how fans can have a much different view of the same game.
I thought your forwards just edged ours today and your long kicking game and chase were excellent. As good as i have seen at Leeds this season. Your kicking close to the line could have posed a few more questions but your superior field position was on the back of a great forward display and kicking game.
A great close battle and Wigan fans should be proud of there teams efforts.
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| Quote ="St pete"Whats good friday got to do with leeds knocking wigan out of the cc on the 29th of may 2010?'"
You've gone a bit Post Happy in the last couple of Hours.
Where have you been for the last couple of months?
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| Quote ="Jukesays"You've gone a bit Post Happy in the last couple of Hours.
Where have you been for the last couple of months?
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Florida for the last month pal.
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| Quote ="robbierotten"After watching the game today, Pryce for some one of his size sure went to ground easy enough in the tackle.Didnt see him make any real impact a big lad like him should be smashing players out the way.'"
I am not sure what people expect from Pryce.The days of Jonah Lomu are long gone. All players are technically sound and also physically trained pretty well.
Pryce took the ball up well, found his front in the tackle, defended well and the clean up for the kick through was superb.
I would like to see a little more enthusiasm from him, and a little more decisiveness when returning kicks but that will come.
Solid performance see you at Cas Karl.
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| Quote ="The Magic Rat"This thread just shows how fans can have a much different view of the same game.
I thought your forwards just edged ours today and your long kicking game and chase were excellent. As good as i have seen at Leeds this season. Your kicking close to the line could have posed a few more questions but your superior field position was on the back of a great forward display and kicking game.
A great close battle and Wigan fans should be proud of there teams efforts.'"
Correct!
Some of our fans think that every other club in the league has kickers that find the floor and stand it up in goal from 60/70 yards out 10 times a game!
It doesn't happen, I don't particularl;y think our long kivking game is "The Best" but it's not as bad as some make out.
It's strange they complain about it when one of the supposed best in Sinfield kicked it down Richards throat all day!
Truth is, kicking the ball from inside your own 30 and espacially when it's on the last with the wingers dropping back means your going to find a player 80% of the time.
My complaint was waiting till the last tackle, should have kicked early with Richards and whether Smith etc catches it or not they're in their own 20 not ours!
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| Quote ="Jukesays"You've gone a bit Post Happy in the last couple of Hours.
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I see what your getting at mate, its not like that, i have not said anything against wigan at all, in fact if you look, you will find i have said best team lost and i think you can make grand final from anywhere in top 8.
It was first game i have seen in about 5 weeks also mate.
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| Quote ="St pete"Florida for the last month pal.'"
Good on ya, any chance your going back for a few more months?
I mean it must be better than whatever pleasure you get from trying to Bait Wiganers after a close loss?
Especially when you start by pretending to not be gloating when in fact you can't help yourself?
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| Quote ="robbierotten"After watching the game today, Pryce for some one of his size sure went to ground easy enough in the tackle.Didnt see him make any real impact a big lad like him should be smashing players out the way.'"
Pryce is a huge player but he doesn't necessarily play like one. In a one on one situation I expect he'd prefer to try to round a player on the outside than try to force his way through them.
He didn't put a foot wrong (well, except literally when he slipped at a potentially crucial moment) and he defended the kick by our goal line very well.
The only criticism from me is the scoots from dummy half. He's nowhere near as quick off the mark as our other wingers so he can be quick sluggish, and when he does go into the tackle he's very upright and gets pushed back far too easily. I think he'd be better getting the ball as first receiver in those situations and running onto the ball hard like Richards does so well.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Good on ya, any chance your going back for a few more months?
I mean it must be better than whatever pleasure you get from trying to Bait Wiganers after a close loss?
Especially when you start by pretending to not be gloating when in fact you can't help yourself?'"
Yes i will be going back in september mate, i am not gloating one bit and not trying to bait any goons as that ain't my style!! In fact im pretty pi$$ed off with that comment!
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| I to think having Tuson on the bench and not Feka was a mistake but i wont give Madge any stick because what he has done so far since being at the club has been incredible and i'm looking forward to see him improve us even futher.
Having said that i think his biggest mistake was not putting Amos back in at fullback. Amos has that explosive pace and elusiveness imo he might have helped us create a gap for himself or someone else when we was on top in territory and possesion. Also we never had the option of the kick to the left corner for Pat which is one of our biggest threats especially in close games.
Anyway chins up and continue as we are in the league, these lads are doing us proud this year.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Good on ya, any chance your going back for a few more months?
I mean it must be better than whatever pleasure you get from trying to Bait Wiganers after a close loss?
Especially when you start by pretending to not be gloating when in fact you can't help yourself?'"
Had great time out there as well, you should see my tan, can't wait to go back.
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