So you call having 3 out of 5 being head and shoulders above? Even though one of your 3 is Bowen and in your words there isn't much between him and Lomax?

yes of course it is. As a spine works together and not on individual playing merits i would say we have the best spine in the league last year showed how good it was. We lost the best player in super league and brought in one of top 5 NRL fullbacks to replace him, we will lose some match breaking plays but overall you would say bowen is a safer fullback. Not even mentioning the players who are backing up the spine Sam Powell, George Williams and Ryan hampshire. Sam Powell was the half back who cut Samoa to shreds for the England Knights.

It's about even. You might say that roby and McIlorum are close. The rest of the league disagreed with you throughout the World Cup. Roby is the best player in the list full stop.

Lomax vs Bowen - as has been said, it's close to call, given the different stages in their careers. There are question marks over both, but both are great players - draw

Hohaia vs Green - green had a fantastic season last year, and was probably the standout stand off for the year. I expect lance to have a better year this year, but probably green is definitely above here. - Green

Walsh vs Smith - there have been times through 2013 were I've really wished saints hadn't let smith go, and he's done really well in the Wigan structure. That said Walsh has done really well in the nrl this year, and probably the signing of the year (before a balls kicked in anger.) if he lives up to the billing then there's only 1 winner - Walsh

Roby vs McIlorum - see above - Roby

LMS vs SOL - Wilkin is a second rower, and we were far more effective towards the back of the year when we had Lms playing there, different style of loose forward etc. regardless there's no doubting the effect SOL has on Wigan - SOL

Wigan have better backup and reserves, but saints probably have better players supporting in the starting team.

Result - evens. Hardly a head and shoulders? The best thing about that list is it 6/10 British.

Ok. You're obviously unwilling to take off the blinkers and have a reasonable conversation.

we have had this argument last season and i am sure the season before both times i have been proven right and you wrong so its not me with the blinkers.

ok Bowen is a better full back than Lomax at this moment in time and has been at that level for 10+ years. Lomax has enough potential to get there and more.

Hohaia isn't even close to green.

Walsh had a good half a season compare that to the rest of the time he has been average will be interesting to how he goes next season but like i said before he has even got on the plane he's talked about the get out clause. Matty smith has just been consistent all the time at wigan.

I have seen games where Roby has been anonymous and McIlorum has been fantastic but Roby is an amazing player.

wilkin and LMS put together aren't better than oloughlin.

Not quite sure about the support players your talking off?

Who's LMS?

I once saw Paul Forber in a pub, he used to play for Salford, I'm a legitimate Salfordian methinks.

Roby v MM is closer than people think. For the last 2 seasons MM has been as good as any hooker. Green and Smith are both very good and can play with each other and the system. Be interesting to see if saints can slot their new guys into their system.
Wilkins not even Saints class never mind as good as Lockers.
Bowen is better than Lomax.....

Overall that says it all really.

Oh don't be silly, everybody knows if you're not a scooter hooker making thousands upon thousands of metres, then you're no good in Super League.

A scooter hooker? Are you still stuck in 2005?

Trust me I wasn't arguing with you on here 2 years ago! Nice try though.

Not my fault Roby's a poor mans Mickey Higham.









Not at all, just fishing for the sake of it. But I see another thread derailed by you into a Saints love in about how good you are, despite you not being able to remember what silverware looks like these days. You just can't help yourself can you?

well defiantly last year it might of been northampton saint the season before. Either way the spine is the best in the league even if 1 or 2 players aren't as good as the saints counterparts just like i think the st helens pack will be the best in league this season. Its nothing biased its just my opinion.

I see the yellow giraffe has escaped from the Langtree Park zoo again. They'll have to put up better cladding.

no more than you are...

Saints fans really wish they were stuck in 2005.

I simply responded to somebody who said the Wigan 'spine' was head and shoulders above everyone else. Surely I have the right to do that? I've not been trolling, I haven't been abusive, what's your problem?

Oh lawks, he's being bullied again.....

You really need to grow up. Or find a girl to keep amused over the school holidays.

Our spine has just won the double.

Your spine has won diddly squat.

Argument needn't be continued.

How's the Envy-O-Meter these days?

This makes no sense. Read the thread again. The fact you won something and we didn't doesn't automatically mean your spine is head and shoulders above Saints, Leeds, Warrington and Huddersfield.

That is what the argument was, not whether we won anything or not!

Do people actually think before they post on here?

It exploded at exactly the same time Pat Richards strolled over the line at Old Trafford.

Means a bit as you wrote off green and smith who were MOM in both the finals......so maybe you should think before posting behind your blinkers.

he continued to slate smith right up until the play offs and he calls everybody else biased. I can't believe somebody is trying to argue a double winning spine isn't the best in the league. Its around this time of year every year where saints fans get all excited about their signings and start saying we just have good structures with average players and that their mega signings will beat us.