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| Quote ="dany1979"Fair to say KPP deserves some credit tonight?'"
I’m a big fan and have always seen the potential upside but I have no issue with people questioning him, if he can play like he did tonight and add his offloading he can go to the top no doubt.
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| Full admission, I'd never heard of Greg Florimo. I don't have the historical knowledge of some of you guys. But Wiki tells me he played 20 games in 1999. I thought I watched just about all of the Wigan TV archive over lockdown (expect I wasn't the only one! ), but still don't recall him. Perhaps I should check back...
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| Quote ="CobraCraig"I’m a big fan and have always seen the potential upside but I have no issue with people questioning him, if he can play like he did tonight and add his offloading he can go to the top no doubt.'"
I have no issue with people questioning any player but it’s noticeable that some people prefer criticism over praise.
His potential has always been clear to see.
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| Quote ="CobraCraig"I thought Smithies had a good game and showed decent pace in the open, his first break he showed some wheels and did Dufty around the outside and had nobody else been there he would have scored, even though that came to nothing it was actually a big moment in the game imo as it broke Warrington opening dominance and put us on the front foot for the first time in the game.'"
He’s obviously not hugely quick Smithies but he’s playing great at the minute. He is really developing his link play in the middle and he’s added more punch to his running game. If he had an ex teammate banging his drum in the media, I reckon he’d be getting rave reviews across the board but not all players are as lucky.
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| Quote ="moto748"Full admission, I'd never heard of Greg Florimo. I don't have the historical knowledge of some of you guys. But Wiki tells me he played 20 games in 1999. I thought I watched just about all of the Wigan TV archive over lockdown (expect I wasn't the only one!
), but still don't recall him. Perhaps I should check back...'"
I wouldn't if I was you.
Him and Marc Reber were sold as the next Edwards and Gregory. They weren't even the next Hale and Pace (somethirn neither of them had)
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| Quote ="dany1979"I have no issue with people questioning any player but it’s noticeable that some people prefer criticism over praise.'"
I disagree with KPP. He’s deserved the criticism that has come his way and tonight only highlights why. Where has that hunger and aggression been for the last two years? He was absolutely outstanding and long may it continue. I thought it was noticeable that Peet said his time off had got him excited about the game again. That seemed a back handed compliment, as though he was saying his motivation levels maybe haven’t been quite where they should be previously. What he has done tonight is get me excited that he can end his spell here on a real high and that would be pleasing. Nobody doubts his talent for me.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I disagree with KPP. He’s deserved the criticism that has come his way and tonight only highlights why. Where has that hunger and aggression been for the last two years? He was absolutely outstanding and long may it continue. I thought it was noticeable that Peet said his time off had got him excited about the game again. That seemed a back handed compliment, as though he was saying his motivation levels maybe haven’t been quite where they should be previously. What he has done tonight is get me excited that he can end his spell here on a real high and that would be pleasing. Nobody doubts his talent for me.'"
Agree.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I disagree with KPP. He’s deserved the criticism that has come his way and tonight only highlights why. Where has that hunger and aggression been for the last two years? He was absolutely outstanding and long may it continue. I thought it was noticeable that Peet said his time off had got him excited about the game again. That seemed a back handed compliment, as though he was saying his motivation levels maybe haven’t been quite where they should be previously. What he has done tonight is get me excited that he can end his spell here on a real high and that would be pleasing. Nobody doubts his talent for me.'"
I genuinely don’t think the positional changes have helped but you are right in saying he has deserved some criticism but unlike others you are able to give praise when it’s deserved.
I think he looked like a player who had been given a simple job to do tonight and I thought he executed that well.
Excited to see him develop here and in the NRL.
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| Few posters seem to have internet issues tonight
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| Quote ="dany1979"I genuinely don’t think the positional changes have helped but you are right in saying he has deserved some criticism but unlike others you are able to give praise when it’s deserved.
I think he looked like a player who had been given a simple job to do tonight and I thought he executed that well.
Excited to see him develop here and in the NRL.'"
I hope he kills it over there. He’s clearly getting ready physically for it. He looked like he’d banged some muscle on during his spell on the sidelines. It’s all on attitude with him and when it’s like that tonight, he excites you and you see a glimpse of the player he should become. A trip to Wembley before he leaves would be nice to see. He can play a huge part in helping that come to fruition on tonight’s form.
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| My only fly in the ointment is shoerrocks, grafter but no go forward at all i think when all the pack is fit, he definitely misses out on the 17
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"I wouldn't if I was you.
Him and Marc Reber were sold as the next Edwards and Gregory. They weren't even the next Hale and Pace (somethirn neither of them had)'"
To be fair those 2 did strike fear into coaches when they got the ball,well mainly their own coach admittedly
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| KPP has clearly put some serious weight on in the last few months and was hitting harder than I think he ever has last night. He’s probably more confident now to play in that style, now he’s conditioned to do it.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"I wouldn't if I was you.
Him and Marc Reber were sold as the next Edwards and Gregory. They weren't even the next Hale and Pace (somethirn neither of them had)'"
They had a bit more class , more Hinge&Bracket
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| KPP was everything Peet promised and more, I thought he was overhyping how much good the rest had done for KPP, he looked a lot bigger. He was very physical. It was funny watching the worst Wigan team in years with only two decent players out muscling the Wire pack.
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| Quote ="Cbr1000rr"My only fly in the ointment is shoerrocks, grafter but no go forward at all i think when all the pack is fit, he definitely misses out on the 17'"
I think there is value in having him as your last sub. He can cover O’Neill for 15-20 mins if needed, spell Smithies or one of the second rowers and cover injuries in the halves. I agree he shouldn’t be starting games though, not when we have everyone fit.
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| Unfortunately I couldn’t get to the game last night but really pleased with the result.
How did Nsemba and Hill go?
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"He’s obviously not hugely quick Smithies but he’s playing great at the minute. He is really developing his link play in the middle and he’s added more punch to his running game. If he had an ex teammate banging his drum in the media, I reckon he’d be getting rave reviews across the board but not all players are as lucky.'"
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Unfortunately I couldn’t get to the game last night but really pleased with the result.
How did Nsemba and Hill go?'"
They were hardly on, might have got 10mins each in the second half, bench could be a bit of a concern next week, it's gutting having Havard missing
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| Thought Smith was excellent last night he ran the show and his heads up play for Marshall's try was brilliant. KPP was different player - looked strong and effective - shame it has come late in his Wigan career as he could be a real handful playing like that. O'Neill was very good too. Possibly Wardle's best game for us
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Second half we looked a lot more joined up - the attack looked a bit more slick - still work to do but improving.
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| Quote ="Cbr1000rr"My only fly in the ointment is shoerrocks, grafter but no go forward at all i think when all the pack is fit, he definitely misses out on the 17'"
I still think we keep hold of him. He does a job and is only still 23. I think he is and will be a great utility player going forward. All this experience will do him well.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"They were hardly on, might have got 10mins each in the second half, bench could be a bit of a concern next week, it's gutting having Havard missing'"
Thank you for the feedback.
Peet does seem to protect his young players. Next week it will be a full on 80 minutes so the youngsters may have to play more than cameo roles.
I agree that Havard will be a major miss but hopefully we can lift our intensity to overcome a highly motivated Rovers team.
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| Quote ="WWste"I still think we keep hold of him. He does a job and is only still 23. I think he is and will be a great utility player going forward. All this experience will do him well.'"
12m from 6 carries just isn’t good enough for a second rower.
I get his utility value but he’s average at best in any position.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Unfortunately I couldn’t get to the game last night but really pleased with the result.
How did Nsemba and Hill go?'"
Limited minutes for both but they got stuck in when they were on. No real stand out moments but both are clearly going to be good players for us.
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| Quote ="nathan_rugby"12m from 6 carries just isn’t good enough for a second rower.
I get his utility value but he’s average at best in any position.'"
Pretty much. His future here will all depend on his wage demands and what he wants from his career. He’s never going to be a first choice player in any position IMO but the fact he can do a decent job in loads of positions makes him a worthwhile squad player IMO ‘if’ it comes at a low cost.
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