No, honestly mate, that isn't a full back.

The sun lie's.

I think it's a little of column and and and little of column b to be fair.

You lot like to think you produce the best players ever through your academies and people like to use it as a stick to beat you with when you release them.

As I've said before though, I don't think you've really made a mistake with any players you've released over the last 10 or so years. Long may have been, but the circumstances at the time meant he went and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

To be honest id have Wild and Tickle infront of Hansen and Bailey, Wild played better in his spell at centre than Baileys ever done and offers more in attack aswell as defense plus not a quota spot. To be fair Tickle was having a nightmare at Wigan before he left.

Would love to have Briscoe but he wanted to play regular rugby earlier and i wouldnt have swapped Rads for ANY other FB at the time.

If Newton was still here we would of never signed Piggy thats another example of hindsight being a wonderful thing and we would never have had to put up with 1 trick.

Robinson, Brown, Aspinwall, Smith, not an international rugby player if you add um all together.

What position did he not want to play?

Either second row or centre obviously but I can't remember which.

Either way, we got a transfer fee out of it.

Your source, the Sun, says it all. Maybe in the past under previous management we'd have gone for Orford but I remember IL saying he's not interested in 'over the hill' Aussies, which is the way it should be. We've got rid of one poor player in Mathers and brought in one of, if not, the best English centre in Gleeson and have got some fringe players out on loan; Mossop & Goulding.

The transfer situation under IL has been okay given that we had limited cap space. What will be interesting is how he goes about recruitment at the end of this season with alot of Mo's signings coming off contract.

yeah but the really annoying thing with Gilmour is that after he left us he turned into a brilliant second rower at bradford and now is doing his bit at centre for Saints, so what went on for him to not want to play for us in that position whichever it was.

And just getting back to the original post... After the way Orford played in the world club against Leeds this year I don't think you can call him over the hill, cause he still does the job. (yeah I know he's 31 and I know what you're getting at being over the hill with age) If he does come, even just for a year, he can pass on tips to Tomkins and Leuluai which will ultimately make them better players.

The other player not mentioned so far which I think we'll lose is Mossop. I rate this guy when he's playing in the academy for us, I heard Huddersfield were interested in signing him last year and now he's there on loan I think they'll be pushing to keep hold of him permanently. He could be another one of those that we look back on and wish we could have kept like Briscoe

Still not sure about Goulding, the pressure seemed to get to him last season.

Mossop has great potential and did well for Huddersfield on Sunday. Can see him replacing Hansen in the 2nd row for us next season adding real size and power in that department. Later on in his career he will probably move up to prop ala Morley and Peacock, now only if he can play like em too

Don't get me wrong, I rate Orford, but I can't see IL going for him. I can't see him coming over for one year either. I think we need to be patient and go for a younger player, this has been said many times but look at Leeds.

As for Mossop, yes Huddersfield rate him, but I can see him being Bailey's replacement - assuming he's released at the of the season.

i think you give sh8s because your still waffling on about it years later you boring little pie muncher

Phuzzy off your site says Wilde, briscoe and tickle are rubbish!

But how many of you would rather have Wilde than bailey?

Briscoe or phelps?

Hansan or tickle?

Id have Bailey over Wild.

Easy really. Briscoe is he only player we've released that I (and seemingly everyone on this board) would take back. Obviously not at the time; as we had the best FB in SL.

Bingo. Caught one of them at least.

Anyway, it's years and 2 more semi-finals later. Whereas Wire = ongoing non-achievement.

Just think, mate. We're crap. So what on Earth does that make you?

The Briscoe one isn't really an issue.

We offered him a deal but he choose to leave because he had a 26 year 100% fit Kris Radlinski infront of him and didn't want to be forced into playing on the wing.

In hindsight of course we'd have wanted to keep him but nobody was to know Rads would have to retire so nobody can really take any blame........infact Wigan should be praised for not standing in his way.

I'd swap Wild for Bailey and Tickle for Hansen in all honesty.

Tickle wasn't a Wigan junior. He was signed from another club. I don't know why people keep naming him in this list. Well actually I do. It makes the figures more impressive if you keep adding names.

Chris Ashton
Steven Wild
Mark Smith
Luke Robinson
Chris Melling
Bryn Hargreaves
Jon Clarke
Kevin Brown
Matin Aspinwall
Bob Beswick

Just a few more names, but TBH I wouldn’t want them back

What's it like to have no friends?

True, i pointed that out yesterday but like you say if opposition fans think it makes their case stronger they'll add them on to the list.

At the end of the day we've not released a homegrown player since Sean Long thats gone on to become a great player.

People allow the fact that Tickle and Hodgson were signed not brought through the academy slip there mind with some easy.


Apart from Briscoe i wouldnt have anyone back we let go.And even then i would pick Ashton over him if i could choose

Trolling aside, I agree.

I wouldn't.