Soft all round so far. That defence down our right side has been dire. Missing Willie Isa massively.

Too many errors, not at the races yet

Everything we feared is happening. Think the Shorrocks at 6 experiment is done as well.

Great refereeing performance. Don't know what's more farcical - his fat gut gut, the fake tan or how obviously biased he's been.

Each club should be required to play a minimum number of club trained players in their 17, that would require all clubs producing junior players.

Going exactly how I feared. We look like we lack energy and Hull look full of it. They are playing well to be fair to them.


Shorrocks and KPP are struggling in D

Obvious but we need to score next.

I fully agree. We need to step it up.

Feels like we’ve pushed it one week too far or maybe a full game too far at least. He’s done a superb job but we can’t forget it’s an emergency pick and no more. It’s a funny old game but you can probably get away with it more in games against Saints and Wire, than tonight because in those games everyone is totally switched on, covering each other and they’re rarely high scoring. It’s games like tonight where you need that threat and execution a specialist 6 brings. Last point is to say that’s not to bag Shorrocks, he’s done a great job in there for us in the circumstances.

Good to score at the end of the half. Our defence looked to have stepped up that last 10. Still can pull something out here. Haven’t seen Nsemba or Hill yet

Saving our subs the second period, hopefully we can come home with a wet sail.

Not seen a penalty for somebody passing after being called held for ages.

Having a bit of mare tonight is shorrocks

Shorrocks hasn’t caught a clean ball in two hands all night. Killing our sets.

Thaler a joke with this holding down.

We’ve been dreadful with the ball. Everything made up on the spot. Can’t fault the effort but zero brains for 9 and 7.

Why tf did Peet leave Nsemba on the bench for 75 minutes? Ridiculous to then bring him on as well.

On Peet that loss. Pointless playing a game with 16 players and giving Nsemba 5 mins. Ludicrous.

Hull probably deserved to win overall. Typical we play them as their form starts to turn.

Some of our defence was awful though, very grabby and lazy. Discipline in the first half was awful.

To say we were poor with the ball would be an understatement. French was sensational under the high ball, probably the only highlight.

You can never knock our effort, fitness and guts but we were so poor in our execution again. We need a stand off in there desperately but that’s not why we lose. Somebody, be that French, Powell, O’Neill Smith etc has to pick a pass to open them up with all that territory.

Fair play to Hull though. They grafted their backsides off and stick right in there. It won’t mean a great deal to us in the long run but it could be huge for them.

Terrible first half from us, penalties and half d defence.

Second half we just looked clueless. Hull just wanted it more.

That said, we were missing Field, Marshall, Cust, Singleton, Cooper, Ellis and Isa.

First half hour was poor, we then got our heads into it and the last 50 our intensity was there and defence was great, like other games though our attack just isn’t clicking and we couldn’t haul it back, really bad 2 points to drop, felt they were there for the taking all second half.

Hull were poor. We were are own worst enemy. Going to sound like a sore looser but the professional foul from Truman killed that game not the knock on

That was just.... weak. First half some soft defence put us under the pump, second half with all those sets the attack was both predictable but profligate. We had more than enough opportunity to go win that.

Shorrocks needs a massive pat on the back and thank you for his efforts the last few weeks, and then be told it's back to competing in the backrow and he's only a 6 in extreme emergency. Tonight seemed a game too far with that sticking plaster. Not that others around him in key positions didn't have a bit of a 'mare either with some of the passing handling and decisions.

Obviously we should have won that game based on our dominance of possession and territory in the second half but better Wigan teams than that have come more badly unstuck than that at Hull over the years. At 12-0 down and the way the two sides were playing I thought we were in for a pasting. In those conditions with seven players who would have been in the 17 out, I am not disheartened by the effort shown and the relentlessness with which we wrestled ourselves on top we just lacked any creative spark to find a winner, If Hampshire or Cust had been ready to play this week, I imagine we would have scored the try we needed. Not despondent, hopefully flagged up we need to magic up an experienced forward from somewhere and get Hampshire / Cust back at 6 for Leeds

In tight moments, it needs someone like O’Neill to not try and pick out Powell on a line ball where he’s more bothered about getting smashed. Havard must have been shot after last week with how much he played tonight and then you have Byrne who had one of his poorer games again. The difference between his best and worst is too big for us to have him as a prop doing major minutes.