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| Tbf today showed just how far we've come as a team.
We would have lost that game last season and now we are starting to show a real gritty will to win that's not been there against the small clubs like Hudds.
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"So if a team finishing 8th beats top in the playoffs they are a better team? The grand final is a one off game and you can fluke a one off game. You cant fluke finishing top of the league over 27 games.'"
If a team come from 8th they will fully deserve the title. You can't fluke finishin top after 27 games, but you can't fluke winning 3 playoff games away from home and a grand final either.
The arguments some of you guys are putting forward are from fans that think their team will be recognised for finishing top.
You won't.
Ask saints fans.
If you finish top but don't win the grand final, people will only remember the grand final winners. That's the way it is. That's why I can't understand why you're getting so giddy about being top.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"No it doesn't. Winning the title get's you recognised as the best team that season. Bradford fnished 3rd in 05 but are remembered as the best because they won the grand final.
I wouldn't say teams strive for top spot. I'd say they take each game at a time and will aim for a high position in the playoffs.'"
Like i said, finishing top, like you also said, gets you recognition for being the best team in the regular season.
It's foolish to say you don't want to finish top. If that was the case you'd see teams throwing games not to finish top. Don't be so daft. In any sport you want to win EVERYTHING. That also includes coming top.
It may not be the most important but still a nice thing to achieve.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"there against the small clubs like Hudds.'"
Like it.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"If you played your u20s for the rest of the season you'd lose most of the rest of your games and would miss out on the playoffs.'"
Wrong. Over the last 3 years the average points for finishing eighth is 23.6. So you could say we are already in, lets just pack up and stuff the rest of the season
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| Quote ="SiY"Like i said, finishing top, like you also said, gets you recognition for being the best team in the regular season. '"
There's no such thing as that.
People don't say ''leeds, 2008 champions, but saints best team through the regular rounds'' People only remember the champions.
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It may not be the most important but still a nice thing to achieve.'"
I never said people DON'T WANT to finish top. What I was saying was that, at the start of the season the top teams won't think, ''right, got to get top spot''. It's more a case of building up towards the playoffs, and if you get top spot it's a nice bonus.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"If a team come from 8th they will fully deserve the title. You can't fluke finishin top after 27 games, but you can't fluke winning 3 playoff games away from home and a grand final either.
The arguments some of you guys are putting forward are from fans that think their team will be recognised for finishing top.
You won't.
Ask saints fans.
If you finish top but don't win the grand final, people will only remember the grand final winners. That's the way it is. That's why I can't understand why you're getting so giddy about being top.'"
I really can't understand why it matters to you that a bunch of Wigan fans on a Wigan board being pleased that their team has shown a distinct and consistent improvement over previous seasons, and would be chuffed to finish top even if we don't win the Grand Final - it's a big step forwards.
Some of your points are valid, but why does it matter to you to try and 'convert' people?
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| Quote ="back to back to back"icon_lol.gif Like it.'"
Good ain't it!
My god I hate Hudds lol. No fans, no history and hopefully no future either.
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| Quote ="Wandering Warrior"Wrong. Over the last 3 years the average points for finishing eighth is 23.6. So you could say we are already in, lets just pack up and stuff the rest of the season
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But then you players would lack match fitness for the playoffs and you'd have a bad position, below 4th.
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Good ain't it!
My god I hate Hudds lol. No fans, no history and hopefully no future either.'"
Same here mate. and you winning today works out better for leeds because if we beat bradford next week and hudds lose to warrington we'll go 4th.
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| I agree, finishing top may not be remembered in the future but in the present it shows how much progression there has been and the 'hubcap' could be actual proof of the progression. It'll mean more to Wigan fans than anything else.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"I really can't understand why it matters to you that a bunch of Wigan fans on a Wigan board being pleased that their team has shown a distinct and consistent improvement over previous seasons, and would be chuffed to finish top even if we don't win the Grand Final - it's a big step forwards.
Some of your points are valid, but why does it matter to you to try and 'convert' people?'"
It doesn't matter as such, I just made a comment and then got drawn into the debate as various people disagreed with it.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"It doesn't matter as such, I just made a comment and then got drawn into the debate as various people disagreed with it.'"
Fair play then.
I think people are just happy to finally see some consistency (compared to previous years of Wigan)
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| Quote ="back to back to back"Same here mate. and you winning today works out better for leeds because if we beat bradford next week and hudds lose to warrington we'll go 4th.'"
I hope you do mate.
At least you deserve it Hudds don't
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"I hope you do mate.
At least you deserve it Hudds don't'"
I still actually fancy Leeds to reach and win the grand final again tbh - injuries permitting
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"I hope you do mate.
At least you deserve it Hudds don't'"
Wigan were at least 20 points better than Huddersfield today. Only the referee kept them anywhere close to us.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"But then you players would lack match fitness for the playoffs and you'd have a bad position, below 4th.'"
We could just bring them back for last couple of games. Easy this super league lark, thats why every team that wins the playoffs has just sauntered into the top 8.
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| You may have a four point lead but who has the best defence record. Hudds nearly had you today and you couldnt put as many points on them as we did !!!. Only half way through the season !! Softly softly catch yee monkey!!! Come on the wire
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| Quote ="wire women"You may have a four point lead but who has the best defence record. Hudds nearly had you today and you couldnt put as many points on them as we did !!!. Only half way through the season !! Softly softly catch yee monkey!!! Come on the wire
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"I still actually fancy Leeds to reach and win the grand final again tbh - injuries permitting'"
So do I.
Let's face it they have some class big game players and are always gonna be a threat when it's knock out football.
The good point from a Wigan perspective is we are at the start of our journey with players like Sam, Joel, Mossop, Goulding, Farrell and to a lesser extent Tommy & Lockers. We are where Leeds were when they won their first SL title IMO and I hope we can follow thier path as well.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Wigan were at least 20 points better than Huddersfield today. Only the referee kept them anywhere close to us.'"
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could of gone either way today.. at 30-30 we let you off the hook by missing the goal kick then giving a silly penalty away on the following set! good match though.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"So do I.
Let's face it they have some class big game players and are always gonna be a threat when it's knock out football.
The good point from a Wigan perspective is we are at the start of our journey with players like Sam, Joel, Mossop, Goulding, Farrell and to a lesser extent Tommy & Lockers. We are were Leeds were when they won their first SL title IMO and I hope we can follow thier path as well.'"
Spot on. My exact feelings to.
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| Attendance - 8,390
Radio Manc stated Wigan took a very good following today, so looking at that 5-6K home fans is just shocking. Th'owd chap at Huddersfield (Ken Bates wannabe) must be tearing his hair out especially after pumping hundreds of thousands of pounds into the club essentially giving season tickets away!
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"So do I.
Let's face it they have some class big game players and are always gonna be a threat when it's knock out football.
The good point from a Wigan perspective is we are at the start of our journey with players like Sam, Joel, Mossop, Goulding, Farrell and to a lesser extent Tommy & Lockers. We are were Leeds were when they won their first SL title IMO and I hope we can follow thier path as well.'"
I think you will. But be patient. The ''current crop'' won their first title in 04. But it was a few years after that before they got the knack of winning big games often.
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could of gone either way today.. at 30-30 we let you off the hook by missing the goal kick then giving a silly penalty away on the following set! good match though.'"
The referee kept you in it. End of.
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