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| Well I'd like a couple of quality signings and along with most other people it would be a half back and a prop but I still can't take Offiah's article seriously.
His position is it wasn't the coaches fault but the lack of quality players. How about a bit of both? And how about the coach not getting some of our players to deliver the quality many consider them capable of? Lack of conditioning and so on?
It's been done to death on here and most people do not think IMO that just two players alone would make all the difference in the same way they don't think "get us fit and we will be champions" because while these things may get us to the top four unless the other issues are addressed with the rest of the squad we still won't be realising the potential of the team.
Still what else would expect form a players agent?
Is he the only players agent who is regularly commenting in the press? I can't recall any others and if so he needs to realise when he talks about any clubs recruitment as he is an agent people will think he has an agenda.
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| Offiah is correct. IMO and ive said it on another thread that we are 2/3 signings short of a really good title contending team
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| He might be an agent, but you've got to agree with him. We've got a team full of grafters, but way short on quality (and in some cases, fitness). We need a scrum half, forward or two and a centre/wing who can turn a game. Don't forget that losing Hock is a huge blow for next season too...
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| Quote ="Madderzahatter"He might be an agent, but you've got to agree with him. We've got a team full of grafters, but way short on quality (and in some cases, fitness). We need a scrum half, forward or two and a centre/wing who can turn a game. Don't forget that losing Hock is a huge blow for next season too...'"
Imo we’ve got the game changing centre already in Gleeson. We all know what he can do with space and quick ball but rarely does he get it imo. The problem is after being coached by Cullen, Lowes and then Noble he’s majorly out of form and low on confidence.
We can all see we need that extra prop and I haven’t seen one person say that it isn’t what we need either…………the first thing the majority agrees on it seems.
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| Quote ="AJ"He is spot on. Value signings are all well and good, but at some point, you need to spend on a top quality player who will make the difference, I would hate to think we are paying Riddell & Roberts that kind of money.
We will win nothing with the squad we have.'"
Thats the worry i have with Wigan, are we paying Coley what Leeds are paying Peacock? Riddell what Buderus is on (i knows he missed most the year) etc etc. Fielden is on stupid money and id expect we will get 2 players and money spare for what hes on.
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| Quote ="Bilko"Whilst I agree 12 losses is far too many and 6th was a very poor regular season, compared to previous seasons regular hammerings were not seen and that was an improvement. Most of the losses were close apart from Huddersfield in Round 27 when we had nothing to play for.
So at least we have moved forward in that regard but now we need to turn narrow defeats into wins and 2 signings is probably about right but I'm not sure they have to be "top quality". We just need a couple of players who will graft a good job.
A scrum half still remains a must for me. Leuluai is useful with ball in hand but his kicking game is very limited. Doing reports every week I've remarked time and time again that our tactical kicking game was poor and that was the difference in my view between 6th and the top 4 in the regular season and possibly the difference between a narrow semi final loss and a Grand Final in the play offs.
Much as I agree with the idea of a new scrum half and shift Lulu, unless you can off load Riddell it cannot happen as we would have another hooker/half back sitting doing very little every week. Sadly as much as a new SF would improve the team it does not work as good use of money compared to say buying a prop.
If we can get rid of Riddell then fine, if we cannot then an additional SF just does not work.
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I still think Danny Brough would be the ideal 7 to Sam Tomkins at 6 (or the other way round). He's not "top quality" but he has all the skills required in the kicking department and would be the perfect foil for Sam. Stick Leuluai in at 9 and I think the balance is much better.'"
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| How many times does it need to be said that we need to bring a prop, it's now become so glaringly obvious that Martin "I can't string to words together" Offiah has noticed it. Let's get a prop in and go from there, if we can win the arm wrestle more than we lose it then were heading in the right direction.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"How many times does it need to be said that we need to bring a prop, it's now become so glaringly obvious that Martin "I can't string to words together" Offiah has noticed it. Let's get a prop in and go from there, if we can win the arm wrestle more than we lose it then were heading in the right direction.'"
It’s glaringly oblivious isn’t it.
I don’t know what the reasons are why we haven’t gone out and got one or if we are looking at any but the fact still remains we need a new prop.
We know the chairman reads this board I just hope he sees this one thing more than anything else.
GET A NEW PROP PLEASE MR CHAIRMAN
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| Personally I'm not convinced prop forward is the biggest issue. I think half back is a bigger problem. The props can do all the work in the world but if we put in a poor kick at the end of their efforts (which we constantly do), it reflects badly of them when perhaps it shouldn't.
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| Quote ="Bilko"Personally I'm not convinced prop forward is the biggest issue. I think half back is a bigger problem. The props can do all the work in the world but if we put in a poor kick at the end of their efforts (which we constantly do), it reflects badly of them when perhaps it shouldn't.'"
There's no doubting that are poor kicking game contributes just as much to are poor field position as are lack of go-forward, it's just a case of which do we address first. I very much doubt that we'd be able to bring in a prop and halfback at the same time, we may well have to choose one above the other.
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| Offiah's such a joke - the comments were to create publicity for his new 'Fifty of the Greatest Tries book' - which is fair enough.
But reading the blurb for the book on Amazon he 'celebrates the achievements of other great players, team-mates and foes alike. From David Topliss to Kyle Eastmond , Clive Sullivan to Wally Lewis'
Does the man have no shame!
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"There's no doubting that are poor kicking game contributes just as much to are poor field position as are lack of go-forward, it's just a case of which do we address first. I very much doubt that we'd be able to bring in a prop and halfback at the same time, we may well have to choose one above the other.'"
Yeah I totally agree. I'd sort the 7 out first but I suspect most would choose a prop. Without a kicking game I think that would be pointless.
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| Quote ="Bill_Barlow"Thats the worry i have with Wigan, are we paying Coley what Leeds are paying Peacock? Riddell what Buderus is on (i knows he missed most the year) etc etc. Fielden is on stupid money and id expect we will get 2 players and money spare for what hes on.'"
My problem is that we are paying Coley at all. We are Wigan, and he is salford class not Wigan class. Sorry, it just my opinion.
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| Quote ="Bilko"Yeah I totally agree. I'd sort the 7 out first but I suspect most would choose a prop. Without a kicking game I think that would be pointless.'"
I'd have Danny Brough here in a shot with a view to introducing Joe in gradually. Brough is a very underated player I think, with a fantastic and varied kicking game that we are missing. I'd take him over Dobson for the shape of our current team anyday.
I think it's a case though of unless we can make a space we simply wont get a halfback in.
Sam, Tommy, Riddell, Mick Mac, something has to give somewhere. It would be quite easy to make the space if one of them wanted to go as i'd imagine they'd take next to nothing on a termination fee (and it's the termination that counts on the cap, no their previous salary).
For the moment though, i'm happy to wait and see what the new setup can get from the existing personel, and then look at 2011 as a big recruitment year with so much cap potentially available.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Rugby league legend Martin Offiah believes Wigan must show far more intent to sign quality players if they're to embark on a return to the glory days and has warned the change in coaches might not prove be the solution.
[urlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/10/12/manual_225647.html[/url'"
That can't have been Offiah - there is a distinct lack of "errrrrrrrm" every few words and an embarrassing silence until a Sky Sports News presenter helps him out.
Quite sad, but for a legend of the game he's become a bit of a joke for me. If it's not his embarrassing attempt to become a pundit, it's his misuse of his media position to push his clients.
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| I expect his next headline to be ....Offiah in "Bears Poop in Woods" Shocker!
We all know we need a couple of key signings but i also think that we are dark horses for a Trophy next year, most realistically the cup depending on the draw, i think we are in a stronger/as strong a position as team like Hull, Hudds and Wire who have got to the final and won it.
Martin is doing his bit to jump on the back of a big news week for Wigan in order to ensure he stays in the spotlight also.
As for the halves/prop thoughts for me i think we can consistently challenge for honours with our current halves, iu personally think TL is a better 7 than a 9 and am happy to see him there. He has a quality short kicking game and i think for the long kicking game players like Tomkins, Locky and Phelps need to take more responsibility.
I do not think we can consistently challenge for honours with our current Props and for this reason Prop for me is a must recruit priority.
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| I agree on the prop side of thing, again though i think we're looking at 2011 for a top class prop to be a realistic target.
If we can sort out feka's conditioning it would be a great help for next season, the way he has gone after seeing pics of him playing for the New Zealand Warriors is quite simply shocking - he looks like a different player completely, and one which some of their fans would have in his NRL condition days over Fui Fui Moi Moi
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| He is right even if he is trying to get us to sign one of his players.
Next season we can win something if we do a wire and win the challenge cup or even go one game further than this year but we are not in a position to dominate a whole year and finish in the top 2, to do that we need good players.
MM had great players infact the best players in the world at Melbourne, he needs to build a team here.
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| It is simple. To some degree we have depth and cover for all positions on the park with a degree of quality except Prop. Our backs and back row make us competative, our hookers are up there with the best (piggy a bit fitter would not go a miss mind you), but we have little go forward from the big guys. Get Feka fitter - good start, get the fire in the belly of Fielden - even better, continue to develope Prescott - now we are getting somewhere, get a stone on O'barrell and play him - getting interesting, send Coley back to Salford or on to anyone else who will have him and we are looking good.
In a dream world we get Feka fit, lose Fielden and Coley and bring in Kite and FFMM. The ground would be packed to the rafters and sides would fear us.
Sadly getting rid of Fielden and Coley is 2011 but we can develope O'Barrell and Prescott and get Feka fit, which would be a start.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"He is right even if he is trying to get us to sign one of his players.
Next season we can win something if we do a wire and win the challenge cup or even go one game further than this year but we are not in a position to dominate a whole year and finish in the top 2, to do that we need good players.
MM had great players infact the best players in the world at Melbourne, he needs to build a team here.'"
He didn't have the best players in the world in every position though, the salary cap ensures that - what the Storm have done very very well is build the best team, with a few key world class players and the remainder less so. They've also been good to spot where a player could deliver more than he was delivering for his current club and would be a good addition to their squad - e.g. Brett Finch.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"He didn't have the best players in the world in every position though, the salary cap ensures that - what the Storm have done very very well is build the best team, with a few key world class players and the remainder less so. They've also been good to spot where a player could deliver more than he was delivering for his current club and would be a good addition to their squad - e.g. Brett Finch.'"
Please name me a poor player from Melbourne?
We have around 3-4 players who just do not perform.
You are right they have built a team! They have some of the best players in the world in key positions and all the rest of the team are either very good players who would get into the England team or they are quality players who fit into the mould of what the team is trying to do.
I hope we look for a Brett Finch, someone at another super league club who has been a good player with loads of potential but just is not quite performing and won't cost a bomb. I hope we can find someone.
I also think we could go for a young player from another club who has potential. They could be our two signings for next season and we could add more deapth with just two signings.
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| I'm with Bilko, we need a halfback first, I'd leave prop till next season because Fielden, O'Carroll and Mossop should all be challenging for one spot so the odds are one will do us a good job this season. However, at present we don't have any good kickers close to the 17, bring in a halfback with a good kicking game, pair him with Sam and play Leuluai at hooker, sorted.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Please name me a poor player from Melbourne?
We have around 3-4 players who just do not perform.
You are right they have built a team! They have some of the best players in the world in key positions and all the rest of the team are either very good players who would get into the England team or they are quality players who fit into the mould of what the team is trying to do.
I hope we look for a Brett Finch, someone at another super league club who has been a good player with loads of potential but just is not quite performing and won't cost a bomb. I hope we can find someone.
I also think we could go for a young player from another club who has potential. They could be our two signings for next season and we could add more deapth with just two signings.'"
Oh I didn't mean for a second that they had poor players, just rather that their entire team are not all Inglis & Slater & Cronk & Cam Smith - hell even Cam Smith is not an athletically gifted genetic freak.
I was merely trying to get across exactly that point, that it's not about big signings across the park, it's about building and moulding a team into a superb well disciplined unit (the organisational play of the Storm has been superb, compare that with the off the cuff broken play brilliance of the Eels for example) and then developing those handful of game breakers like Inglis & Slater to take you that step further.
It's why i'm confident that we will, and should expect to see a reasonable amount more performance out of the personel we already have in place - we may need that small addition to make us great, but I think we can be a really good team even with the current player roster if we can get 100% out of all the players.
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Slater, Inglis, Cronk, Cam Smith, Dallas Johnson interestingly have all played all of their first grade football for the Storm.
That's what I was trying to get at, that it's about how that all comes together and building a team, not just going out with the cheque book like a certain players agent feels is the main answer.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"The Storms key players
Slater, Inglis, Cronk, Cam Smith, Dallas Johnson interestingly have all played all of their first grade football for the Storm.
That's what I was trying to get at, that it's about how that all comes together and building a team, not just going out with the cheque book like a certain players agent feels is the main answer.'"
Tomkins x 3, O'Loughlin, Hansen, Prescott, O'Carroll, Ainscough, Farrell, Mello etc. not quite in the same class.
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