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| Quote ="vastman"Wigan can't buy success so SL is crap, bunch of pathetic wingers the lot of you - oh and when Wigan could we were smashing the Aussies all over the place - oh wait
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| Quote ="vastman"Wigan can't buy success so SL is crap, bunch of pathetic wingers the lot of you - oh and when Wigan could we were smashing the Aussies all over the place - oh wait
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I love how everyone has this opinion of Wigan. Do they ever really look into the current situation? The two top teams in the league appear to have won the league unfairly due to these overseas accounts and one of the few teams doing everything above board is Wigan. I mean even when they got done for the cap they hadnt actually exceeded the cap they'd "Gone against the spirit" of it. By offering to pay fielden more in his second year etc. Ah well sod it.
Btw does anyone know what's going on with this overseas accounts thing? Not seen anything about it in ages. I know it's off the topic off this in a way but just wondering. |
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| Quote ="vastman"Wigan can't buy success so SL is crap, bunch of pathetic wingers the lot of you - oh and when Wigan could we were smashing the Aussies all over the place - oh wait
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| Quote ="vastman"Wigan can't buy success so SL is crap, bunch of pathetic wingers the lot of you - oh and when Wigan could we were smashing the Aussies all over the place - oh wait
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No, but if we hadn't been good at that time then god knows what the scores would have been against GB. Think about it.
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| Quote ="vastman"Wigan can't buy success so SL is crap, bunch of pathetic wingers the lot of you - oh and when Wigan could we were smashing the Aussies all over the place - oh wait
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These days RU is 10x even 100x wealthier and is slowly sucking the quality and media focus away from our game.
The problems run far deeper than individual clubs ups and downs.
Unfortunately Sky effectively own the game and are the only national media organisation giving the game publicity. If they say RL is improving there's no counter view. |
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| Love tantrums like that.
If it wasn't for Wigan, there would have been no Super League, with most clubs still playing winter games in front 5000.
In fact the top clubs will probably have merged with Union. |
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Getting humped by 43 points by NZ on home turf with the likes of Scott Naylor in the centres, Wellens on the wing (speed demon!), Deacon at stand off, Tony Smith at hooker, Harvey Howard propping and, wait for it, Andy Hay and Darren Fleary on the bench.
That team would get obliterated by the best of 2009. Having said that, I agree that there's been some very poor games this year.
On the other hand, I think that some of the kids getting games in SL over the last few years are WAAAAAAY better than those we were seeing 8/9 years ago.'"
Since when did an internationl game have anything to do with Superleague standards? 
Im talking about the players walking around SL back then. Wigan for instance.....
Andy Farrell, Steve Renouf, Kris Rads, Adrian Lam, Jason Robinson, Gary Connolly etc etc. None of our current players are better than any of those named and all would get in every current SL team |
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Getting humped by 43 points by NZ on home turf with the likes of Scott Naylor in the centres, Wellens on the wing (speed demon!), Deacon at stand off, Tony Smith at hooker, Harvey Howard propping and, wait for it, Andy Hay and Darren Fleary on the bench.
That team would get obliterated by the best of 2009. Having said that, I agree that there's been some very poor games this year.
On the other hand, I think that some of the kids getting games in SL over the last few years are WAAAAAAY better than those we were seeing 8/9 years ago.'"
Since when did an internationl game have anything to do with Superleague standards?
Im talking about the players walking around SL back then. Wigan for instance.....
Andy Farrell, Steve Renouf, Kris Rads, Adrian Lam, Jason Robinson, Gary Connolly etc etc. None of our current players are better than any of those named and all would get in every current SL team | |
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| Quote ="Meyt N Prater Pie"Since when did an internationl game have anything to do with Superleague standards?
Im talking about the players walking around SL back then. Wigan for instance.....
Andy Farrell, Steve Renouf, Kris Rads, Adrian Lam, Jason Robinson, Gary Connolly etc etc. None of our current players are better than any of those named and all would get in every current SL team'"
I see your point, but then the decline of Wigan isn't a barometer for SL.
The 2000 Wigan team, including the likes of Robinson, Dallas, Renouf, Radlinski, O'Connor, Newton, Cowie, Cassidy, Betts and Farrell lost in the Grand Final to a Saints team including Steve Hall, Julian O'Neill, Tim Jonkers, John Stankevitch and Scott Barrow.
I would certainly bet on the 2009 Saints beating the 2000 Saints comfortably and we didn't even win it last year.
The quality over Easter has been poor - but then, couldn't we have guessed that playing 3 games in a week? |
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Thought both Wigan and Saints played well Maunday Thursday.
Wigan struggled like hell in Catalan four days later. I honestly don't know of any club that could have gone to Catalans and won last Monday.
If the Hull clubs had played Thursday I think they'd have lost by more than 16 points in France.
Saints have come away from Perpignan well beaten in the past.
It's hard enough V Catalans with an eight day turnround never mind four.
As for SL there is a decline and that is evident.
Isn't the strength of your domestic league gauged by the performances and results of the International squad?
The game needs a top down overhaul.
The RFL are truly awful proved by their "review" of the World Cup. They have abdicated their responsibility.
We also need a real look at the role of the Super League clubs themselves and their rule making. It is they who are taking the game backwards as they think of nothing but their own club's self interest. That's why the game as a whole is suffering and going nowhere.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I see your point, but then the decline of Wigan isn't a barometer for SL.
The 2000 Wigan team, including the likes of Robinson, Dallas, Renouf, Radlinski, O'Connor, Newton, Cowie, Cassidy, Betts and Farrell lost in the Grand Final to a Saints team including Steve Hall, Julian O'Neill, Tim Jonkers, John Stankevitch and Scott Barrow.
I would certainly bet on the 2009 Saints beating the 2000 Saints comfortably and we didn't even win it last year.
The quality over Easter has been poor - but then, couldn't we have guessed that playing 3 games in a week?'"
3 games in a week and poor quality? pah........try 11 games in 34 days,.......10 wins and a draw.
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Sun 10 Mar Challenge Cup QF: Bradford Home Won 32-2
Wed 13 Mar Hull Home Won 34-12
Sun 17 Mar Rochdale Hornets Away Won 44-16
Sat 23 Mar Challenge Cup Semi Final: Oldham Bolton Won 30-16
Tue 26 Mar Warrington Away Won 26-8
Fri 29 Mar Featherstone Rovers Away Won 24-16
Mon 1 April Oldham Away Won 10-4
Thu 4 April St Helens Home Won 28-14
Sun 7 April Castleford Home Won 24-4
Tue 9 April Widnes Home Won 26-6
Thu 11 April Bradford Northern Home Draw 18-18
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| Quote ="MattyB"3 games in a week and poor quality? pah........try 11 games in 34 days,.......10 wins and a draw.
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Sun 10 Mar Challenge Cup QF: Bradford Home Won 32-2
Wed 13 Mar Hull Home Won 34-12
Sun 17 Mar Rochdale Hornets Away Won 44-16
Sat 23 Mar Challenge Cup Semi Final: Oldham Bolton Won 30-16
Tue 26 Mar Warrington Away Won 26-8
Fri 29 Mar Featherstone Rovers Away Won 24-16
Mon 1 April Oldham Away Won 10-4
Thu 4 April St Helens Home Won 28-14
Sun 7 April Castleford Home Won 24-4
Tue 9 April Widnes Home Won 26-6
Thu 11 April Bradford Northern Home Draw 18-18
Sat 13 April Leeds Away Won 20-8 =blueTo win the Championship'"
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Quote ="FearTheVee"Yeah, we were ace:
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Getting humped by 43 points by NZ on home turf with the likes of Scott Naylor in the centres, Wellens on the wing (speed demon!), Deacon at stand off, Tony Smith at hooker, Harvey Howard propping and, wait for it, Andy Hay and Darren Fleary on the bench.
That team would get obliterated by the best of 2009. Having said that, I agree that there's been some very poor games this year.
On the other hand, I think that some of the kids getting games in SL over the last few years are WAAAAAAY better than those we were seeing 8/9 years ago.'"
I always use this example but compare the line ups in this game of 2000 with the current line ups of wigan and bratfut for example to see how far the standard of SL has fallen due to the CC!!
www.slstats.org/2000/8/27/Wigan% ... Bulls.html
The SL used to have approximately 5/6 top class teams who could match it with the best and with the NRL teams. Now the CC means each team can have no more than 2-3 WC / good players while the rest of each team are made up of mediocre poor to average players.
The result....yes a more competative league, but now in terms of the SL product the only top game that serves up any fayre is Saints V Leeds (probably due to the fact they have both circumvented the cap by using ofshore methods). The top games in SL used to be class matches, where skill, flare, fast running etc. came in droves. Any match between any two teams out of Bratfut, Wigan, Stains, Leeds, Wire, Hull etc. could almost always be guarenteed to be a classic.......Now there often pathetic games, most trys coming from errors of the less competent players, and often blow out scores to whichever one of the two teams is less 5h1t!! Look at wire v bratfut for a perfect example!!
Going back to that game I counted a total 16/17 WC players in both those line ups...compare that now between the two teams and your looking at 2/3 max!!
Yes more competitive the SL is, yet it has lost all its intensity and become a mediocre competition IMO. Those matches between the top 6 used to almost rival the intensity of the NRL....now the SL is little more intense than NL1. This years 4 nations will be even more embaressing as a result IMO!
The whole idea of the salary cap when it came in was supposed to stop teams going bust and also to improve the competition. What the CC has done though is dilute the competition massively.
What should have been done was to encourage the lesser teams to invest in acadamys, and increase their support in order to produce players of a better standard to match wigan, leeds, saints, bradford etc. and reinvest surplus monies in producing better talent, thus making the league rival the NRL for intesity and competitiveness.
What the RFL did in their infinate wisdom is rather than building from the bottom, they artificially stopped the top teams from getting stronger, and held them back to the levels of the lower clubs. THe result, a competitive but poor league - the spectacle has suffered, and with the CC in place not only is the standard of the league and players in decline, there is no incentive for any club to improve the situation, as you can compete in our poor shortsighted league on crowds of 4k and without any decent academy infrastructure, as teams like Harlequins / Huddersfield /Celtic and Wakefield are testiment to!!!
I worry for SL as I honestly think the competition on the whole now is not much better than the pre super league 1990ish semi professional days |
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news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 029891.stm
Getting humped by 43 points by NZ on home turf with the likes of Scott Naylor in the centres, Wellens on the wing (speed demon!), Deacon at stand off, Tony Smith at hooker, Harvey Howard propping and, wait for it, Andy Hay and Darren Fleary on the bench.
That team would get obliterated by the best of 2009. Having said that, I agree that there's been some very poor games this year.
On the other hand, I think that some of the kids getting games in SL over the last few years are WAAAAAAY better than those we were seeing 8/9 years ago.'"
I always use this example but compare the line ups in this game of 2000 with the current line ups of wigan and bratfut for example to see how far the standard of SL has fallen due to the CC!!
www.slstats.org/2000/8/27/Wigan% ... Bulls.html
The SL used to have approximately 5/6 top class teams who could match it with the best and with the NRL teams. Now the CC means each team can have no more than 2-3 WC / good players while the rest of each team are made up of mediocre poor to average players.
The result....yes a more competative league, but now in terms of the SL product the only top game that serves up any fayre is Saints V Leeds (probably due to the fact they have both circumvented the cap by using ofshore methods). The top games in SL used to be class matches, where skill, flare, fast running etc. came in droves. Any match between any two teams out of Bratfut, Wigan, Stains, Leeds, Wire, Hull etc. could almost always be guarenteed to be a classic.......Now there often pathetic games, most trys coming from errors of the less competent players, and often blow out scores to whichever one of the two teams is less 5h1t!! Look at wire v bratfut for a perfect example!!
Going back to that game I counted a total 16/17 WC players in both those line ups...compare that now between the two teams and your looking at 2/3 max!!
Yes more competitive the SL is, yet it has lost all its intensity and become a mediocre competition IMO. Those matches between the top 6 used to almost rival the intensity of the NRL....now the SL is little more intense than NL1. This years 4 nations will be even more embaressing as a result IMO!
The whole idea of the salary cap when it came in was supposed to stop teams going bust and also to improve the competition. What the CC has done though is dilute the competition massively.
What should have been done was to encourage the lesser teams to invest in acadamys, and increase their support in order to produce players of a better standard to match wigan, leeds, saints, bradford etc. and reinvest surplus monies in producing better talent, thus making the league rival the NRL for intesity and competitiveness.
What the RFL did in their infinate wisdom is rather than building from the bottom, they artificially stopped the top teams from getting stronger, and held them back to the levels of the lower clubs. THe result, a competitive but poor league - the spectacle has suffered, and with the CC in place not only is the standard of the league and players in decline, there is no incentive for any club to improve the situation, as you can compete in our poor shortsighted league on crowds of 4k and without any decent academy infrastructure, as teams like Harlequins / Huddersfield /Celtic and Wakefield are testiment to!!!
I worry for SL as I honestly think the competition on the whole now is not much better than the pre super league 1990ish semi professional days | |
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Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"I always use this example but compare the line ups in this game of 2000 with the current line ups of wigan and bratfut for example to see how far the standard of SL has fallen due to the CC!!
www.slstats.org/2000/8/27/Wigan% ... Bulls.html'"
No. That's how far you and Bradford have fallen not Super League.
Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"The SL used to have approximately 5/6 top class teams who could match it with the best and with the NRL teams. '"
Did it? I thought Super League was contested by four teams each year and it's only since Saints and Leeds have ramped up the consistency that it's become two. I would compare the Saints sides of the past four years favourably against any side that has graced Super League. The side that did the double in 2006 is by far the best this competition has seen.
I'll leave it to someone who has the patience to discuss this matter...
Quote ="vastman"The mating call of the loser or what.
It's so predictable, the fans of clubs who think they have a god given right to dominate always use this pathetic excuse whenever there big money doesn't but success.
FFS it's how the franchise works and it's what people allegedly wanted and even playing field a chance for teams to build. Yet when you get it you don't like it.
Why don't you just face the truth for once. Wakey and Hudds have spent well and built good teams whilst Hull and Bradford haven't.
There is one very simple explanatotion for your plight, you are a poor team regardless of the supertar players you reckon you have. Get over your self and drop the snobbery.
Boo Hoo, didums poor old Hull are losing and Wellsy can't take it - so SL is crap and the teams above are only there because Hull and Bradford aren't performing and they should be because on paper (the worlds best playing surface) they should be, must be, this simply can't be boo hoo boo hoo. This really is the worst attitude any fan can have and ruins our game
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www.slstats.org/2000/8/27/Wigan% ... Bulls.html'"
No. That's how far you and Bradford have fallen not Super League.
Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"The SL used to have approximately 5/6 top class teams who could match it with the best and with the NRL teams. '"
Did it? I thought Super League was contested by four teams each year and it's only since Saints and Leeds have ramped up the consistency that it's become two. I would compare the Saints sides of the past four years favourably against any side that has graced Super League. The side that did the double in 2006 is by far the best this competition has seen.
I'll leave it to someone who has the patience to discuss this matter...
Quote ="vastman"The mating call of the loser or what.
It's so predictable, the fans of clubs who think they have a god given right to dominate always use this pathetic excuse whenever there big money doesn't but success.
FFS it's how the franchise works and it's what people allegedly wanted and even playing field a chance for teams to build. Yet when you get it you don't like it.
Why don't you just face the truth for once. Wakey and Hudds have spent well and built good teams whilst Hull and Bradford haven't.
There is one very simple explanatotion for your plight, you are a poor team regardless of the supertar players you reckon you have. Get over your self and drop the snobbery.
Boo Hoo, didums poor old Hull are losing and Wellsy can't take it - so SL is crap and the teams above are only there because Hull and Bradford aren't performing and they should be because on paper (the worlds best playing surface) they should be, must be, this simply can't be boo hoo boo hoo. This really is the worst attitude any fan can have and ruins our game
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| Quote ="MattyB"3 games in a week and poor quality? pah........try 11 games in 34 days,.......10 wins and a draw.
1991
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Wed 13 Mar Hull Home Won 34-12
Sun 17 Mar Rochdale Hornets Away Won 44-16
Sat 23 Mar Challenge Cup Semi Final: Oldham Bolton Won 30-16
Tue 26 Mar Warrington Away Won 26-8
Fri 29 Mar Featherstone Rovers Away Won 24-16
Mon 1 April Oldham Away Won 10-4
Thu 4 April St Helens Home Won 28-14
Sun 7 April Castleford Home Won 24-4
Tue 9 April Widnes Home Won 26-6
Thu 11 April Bradford Northern Home Draw 18-18
Sat 13 April Leeds Away Won 20-8 =blueTo win the Championship'"
What a end to that season,mission impossible IIRC,,,,, it seemed that i was going to the a Rugby match every other day |
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| Quote ="wiganrlforever"What a end to that season,mission impossible IIRC,,,,, it seemed that i was going to the a Rugby match every other day'"
I had to borrow cash from my dad to pay for the last few games.
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| Quote ="JTB"Your campaign is going well. Biggest queue I've ever seen at the JJB snack counter on Sunday
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There's no way on earth that I could give up my match day hot dog! They're so nice!
Shame on you andyed.... shame on you. |
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| Quote ="Katrina"There's no way on earth that I could give up my match day hot dog! They're so nice!
Shame on you andyed.... shame on you.'"
Easily pleased I see. 
One word - Rank!  |
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| Quote ="McClennan"Did it? I thought Super League was contested by four teams each year and it's only since Saints and Leeds have ramped up the consistency that it's become two.'"
Ramped up the consistency or watched a number of their nearest rivals fall back? I know which I'm more inclined to believe.
Quote I'll leave it to someone who has the patience to discuss this matter...'"
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