And maybe one hooker.

So you think we will be releasing Micky Mac then rogues?

Rumours coming out of oz that Riddell wants to go back next year

I don't know whether Shaun would be prepared to wait this long, but if it were my choice on what to do, my plan would be to loan Ainscough out for the next two years similar to what Saints have done with Moore, so that he can then come into the team in two years time in place of a retiring Amos. That would be my way of dealing with the situation, however it all depend on whether Ainscough is willing to wait that long.

I'm sure with some reassurances by the club and a longterm contract in place he'd wait, especially if he was rejoining a successful Wigan side.

im MM and SW we trust

I must admit I thought the same last night!!

One of the quota list then, wouldn't be too bothered TBH. Half decent player with a decent rep but not done much in my eyes, no better than say Ben Fisher.

Cameron Smith perhaps?



IMO - if Deacon retires at the end of the season we bring in Danny Brough,
- if Riddell goes back to Aus the hooking duties shared between TL and MM
- if Riddell stays MM gets a 2 year deal but goes out on loan untill Riddell goes, in fact I would loan him to Wakey now once he gets back from injury as they could prob do with him and he could do with the game time playing superleague.

He isent good enough for Wakefield.

If all his team mates did that every game that team would never ever lose a game.

It's a [size=200team[/size game for God's sake.

Just get off his back.

Funny isn't it - Ainscough scores a hat-trick and all some people want to do is overly focus on his defensive mistake.

Some of those people would be shouting for a first team start for Pryce had he had the same game.

You are completely missing the point.
It's the same type of mistake he has been making for almost five years. I'm quite happy to let the coach decide who plays and who goes out on loan.

I'm not missing the point at all - I'm just pointing out the double standards some people have when discussing players.

Has anyone said they aren't happy for the coach to decide who goes where?

It's hardly double standards is it? Massive massive praise - he praises and posts some balance, Massive massive criticism - he posts some positives and acknowledges some limitations to. I'd call it trying to present a rounded opinion, about the only player i've ever seen Rogues post a non balanced opinion over is Rhys Evans



Ainscough is a fantastic talent, and long may he be a Wigan player - he has a few small issues in his game that need work (so does every single player including the experienced pros), but he's a cracking talent. I just hope he doesn't have his head turned by the small few who hail him as the messiah and demand he's in the team now - personally I don't think he will, I think he's level headed enough, and the current regime will look after him.

Currently him playing at Cas, in my opinion is the best for both parties.

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy! (he let a try in). [size=50even though he scored three.[/size

Who said I was talking about Rouges? Unless he was outing himself - are you doing the same?



Mentioning Pryce seems to have touched a nerve with some.



In terms of Ainscough, I wouldn't have him in the team until he sorts out the brain farts in defence especially with the wingers we currently have ahead of him. However, no matter what he does (like scoring a hat-trick) there are some that are only too ready to focus on his known issues when they are all too ready to criticise people who do the same with other players.

Pryce will not be at Wigan in 2011.

Totally agree.

I don't get this talk about him not being good enough in defence and for every 2 or 3 trys he scores he'll let one in..............so what! He's young and inexperienced and will improve with gametime in the first team(wheather it be at Wigan or Cas). If somebody said to me 'he's going to score 3 trys a game but be at fault for one at the other end' would you take it? I'd bite their hand off especially when you consider he can iron out these flaws in time.

Whats his superleague first team record now? Something along the lines of 22 trys and 14 games(in all comps)?

I'm in total agreement with the people that say at the minute there isn't a way into our side when everybody is fit but what a player to have waiting in the wings! I just wish all our fans would back him instead on constantly picking out flaws.

I just hope we can keep him happy with these loan spells in a similar way to how Saints have with Scott Moore. It may be a few months or it may be a couple of years before this lad can find a spot in the team at Wigan but to lose him would be an awful blow.

It's a tough situation isn't it but I suppose it's better to have these problems then having no options in the first place.

I'm like you a huge fan of Phelps in the fullback position and he could go on to be an absolute gem in the position but I actually think we may have to pull him out of that spot and put him at left centre if we're to keep Ainscough. We simply can't afford to lose him and if that means Phelps playing a season at centre I think we'd have to roll with that. He could then be moved back to fullback when one of Roberts or Richards moves on.

It isn't ideal moving Phelps out of that fullback position though.

Another option would be to put Roberts at centre. He's played there in the past and would obviously bring a huge attacking threat from there but the question would have to be asked if his defence would be upto it.

Theres some thinking for Maguire to do over the next few months but one thing is for sure we have an embarrasment of riches in the outside back positions at the moment.

Natural finisher, and who knows how many he might have scored on Friday for us?



But in all seriousness, let him stay at Cas til the end of season barring any major injuries to our backline of Phelps, Richards and Amos and then bring him back for next season and let him fight for a place in the back 3.

Afterall, you cannot leave a player out with a try record like that for too long before he wants to leave the club and joins one of our rivals on a permanent deal.

There are several ways in IMO. One is by squad rotation. Even in the backs I think if we carry on playing this really hard physical game we have started the season off with then if we stick with the first 17 barring injury or suspension (as Noble would have done) they will run out of steam by the end of the competition.

On Mike's board there is one well connected poster who insists Feka was not dropped but rotated and he will be back in v Bradford (so that will be interesting to see). I also think under a different coach HH's minor shoulder problem may have seen him selected with a pain killing injection.

I think we will see players come in for uninjured players r [layers with minor knocks like HH over the course of the season in a way we have not been used to seeing.

There is also another possibility and this is Roberts form on the wing drops off or Aincough "does an O'Carroll" and rips it up in training so he simply deserves a run out in the first team. The way some people seem to be posting Roberts place in the team is sacrosanct. I thought we were pleased we had ditched a coach who took that sort of view for one that ran a meritocracy?

I also don't like the idea of a season long lone for Ainscough for two reasons. First he will score a bag full of ties for one our rival teams and even if it is against our other rivals it will help Cas up the table. More importantly it sends the wrong message to Ainscough who might start to believe mischievous journalists that he doesn't have a future at the club.

Dave

I get your point but even squad rotation isn't going to get Ainscough enough games imo to make calling him back from Cas(well not extending his loan) worthwhile.

He needs to play every week imo because he's a special talent. It just so happens we have 2 wingers who are even better then him already at the club but his time will come. I hope we keep him at Cas unless somebody picks up an injury and let him develope there. He will play every week and be able to work on his minor flaws.

He's in the best place at this minute in time but hopefully we can sort him out a spot intime for next season.

I agree with this. Ainscough will be getting good SL experience under a good coach at Cas.

I personally think it is looking increasingly obvious that two of his team mates fighting for the same position (Goulding and Pryce) won't be here next season and that if he works on his concrete feet in defence he'll be in the 19 next season.

He does look like having an automatic jump up of 2 places next year with Goulding and Pryce both not cracking any pots(fair play to Gouldings attitude by the way but he just doesn't look quite good enough) so that can be a comfort to him in his time at Cas.

I'd back him to get 20 trys for Cas this year and if he does that his confidence will be sky high. All Wigan need to do is to make sure they keep in regular contact with him and make him feel part of this club still and make sure he knows he has a future.

I agree with that NK. Ainy just needs to be assured that he is a major part of our plans. He's only 20..it's not like it's 'now or never'!

I do feel the club (and in particular IL) are aware of this sort of thing though. IL has been a fan for as long, or longer, than just about anyone on this board and, as such, seems to have similar views. I'm confident he will no more want to lose Ainscough than any of us!

On a side note about another loan player the majority of the Widnes fans have Liam Farrell down as man of the match of their site from yesterdays 72-10 win over Keighley.

He scored a try and was a constant menace down the flanks for them they said and got through tonnes of defence in his 80mins on the pitch.

Sounds very promsing and he again is a player thats in the right place. He's always available to be called back if needs be but for at least the next few months i'd expect to see him tearing it up at Widnes.