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| Quote ="No1 Saint"On paper with the exception of us lacking a real 6 (unless biscuit bones wheeler makes a 10 minute cameo - probably at prop knowing Brown) it should be a good game but we have too many players who don't perform to there best or cant anymore for whatever reason.
This is not a vintage Saints team but I dont think the current Wigan team is all that good when you take out Tomkins who is exceptional, the big difference for me is attitude and aggression. Wigan have the right attitude in every game and have more aggression than a wrestler on roids where Saints are a team jam packed full of shrinking violets who look like they'd rather be playing touch Rugby.'"
After the way our form dipped in the past 5 weeks I'd argue O'Loughlin is almost as important to the team as Sam. We seem to fall to bits when either don't play. Charnley and Farrell are up there with the best in the league too but not as important to us as Sam and Lockers. The rest of our players are good not great, but having said that, which team is laden with superstars? I couldn't name more than 2 irreplaceable and 2 very good players at Wire or Leeds either
edit, just given it a go, to be fair I make it 2 irreplaceable and 3 very good for Wire (Briers and Westwood irreplaceable - both Monaghans and Hill very good) and 1 irreplaceable and 3 very good for Leeds (Sinfield irreplaceable - Watkins, Hall and Burrow very good). Point remains that the 'big three' who will be chasing trophies this year are all roughly the same in that regard.
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| Every successful team has to have a spine of quality players and Wigan have that.
Take any one out and they are the lesser for it.
One out and you miss him, two and a problem could arise, and so on.
Sam and Lockers are vital to the spine of the Wigan team.
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| According to Phil Wilkinson in the "Post" no Sam Lockers or Micky Mac for Monday !
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| Quote ="Sunshine state"According to Phil Wilkinson in the "Post" no Sam Lockers or Micky Mac for Monday !'"
I'm surprised at Lockers, I'd have thought he would be getting back into the swing of things. I wonder if Flower, Taylor and Lauaki will return....
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| Quote ="Sunshine state"According to Phil Wilkinson in the "Post" no Sam Lockers or Micky Mac for Monday !'"
doesnt surprise me with the semi final next week.
I think Wane wants to get to Wembley, and he learned last year that the hub caps meaningless in the context of things.
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| Wigan v Saints is never "meaningless" however the weekend is currently higher on our list of priorities as opposed to playing a mid-table side
If we have key players with knocks then as much as I love hammering our friends from over the hill I wouldn't take the risk.
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| Petal and Eric are close to fitness and maybe in the squad. (Apologies to Bilko for using his alias's)
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| Lauaki warmed up in the 19 man squad prior to the Widnes game.
If a Wigan forward had pulled up in the warm up then you'd expect Lauaki would have played.
Saints really should win this one then, if they don't they must be in a right old mess!
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Lauaki warmed up in the 19 man squad prior to the Widnes game.
If a Wigan forward had pulled up in the warm up then you'd expect Lauaki would have played.
Saints really should win this one then, if they don't they must be in a right old mess!'"
If you've watched us on sky this year at all then you know the answer already. We look nothing like the Saints teams of the recent past or even as good as the Saints teams in the early 90's . We are leaderless, gutless and clueless for the most part.
Was at a fans forum last night for the Steve Prescott foundation and Matty Smith was there (how I wish he was at Saints at the moment), he was asked quite a few questions and gave some very honest answers, a couple of things stood out around coaching and how Wane is a coach who is big on motivation and always gets players up for games no matter who it is , I wonder if Nathan Brown plays pan pipes music or something during his team talks because we never look fired up.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"If you've watched us on sky this year at all then you know the answer already. We look nothing like the Saints teams of the recent past or even as good as the Saints teams in the early 90's . We are leaderless, gutless and clueless for the most part.
Was at a fans forum last night for the Steve Prescott foundation and Matty Smith was there (how I wish he was at Saints at the moment), he was asked quite a few questions and gave some very honest answers, a couple of things stood out around coaching and how Wane is a coach who is big on motivation and always gets players up for games no matter who it is , I wonder if Nathan Brown plays pan pipes music or something during his team talks because we never look fired up.'"
He certainly doesn't put up with any monkey business
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| Brown always gave me the impression while at Huddersfield of being very laid-back at times, almost as if he knew that if it all got too much he could always up sticks and go home! That could be a little unfair on my part, but it just seemed that way with his interviews, and body language.
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| Quote ="stillinthepast"Reading the above Link it seems that Mr Wilkin is trying to talk himself into Mr Sinfields position for the forthcoming World Cup.
Kettle and Pan comes to mind.'"
If England need a player who can get away with 10 high shots in a match then look no further than Mr Wilkin
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"If England need a player who can get away with 10 high shots in a match then look no further than Mr Wilkin'"
The thing is he doesnt get away with them , him and LMS just lose the plot and give penalties away like there going out of fashion.
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| Quote ="pies-r-us"Brown always gave me the impression while at Huddersfield of being very laid-back at times, almost as if he knew that if it all got too much he could always up sticks and go home! That could be a little unfair on my part, but it just seemed that way with his interviews, and body language.'"
Makes you wonder but he wont get an NRL job if he continues to fail at Saints. The man is a mystery, and whats even more odd is the players sing his praises. When the rot started for us under Mick Plodder rumours were everywhere of player unrest and dressing room issues, after he left they came out - Simmons was liked but again there were rumours the players wernt keen on tactics (or lack of) .. with Brown apart from the Gaskell oddity there is nothing.
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| Maybe he knows only the last 5 weeks matter?
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| I never thought I would go into a derby game and being happy (ok, content) to lose. Rest players and lose Monday. 10 wins after that and we do the treble.
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| Quote ="Conroy"I never thought I would go into a derby game and being happy (ok, content) to lose. Rest players and lose Monday. 10 wins after that and we do the treble.'"
Losing a derby is painful. I've had a lot of experience of it the last couple of years.
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| Quote ="Conroy"I never thought I would go into a derby game and being happy (ok, content) to lose. Rest players and lose Monday. 10 wins after that and we do the treble.'"
Treble?? Please tell me you aren't counting the hubcap in a treble? Shameless.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"Treble?? Please tell me you aren't counting the hubcap in a treble? Shameless.'"
Your lot would kill for the hubcap, there's an awful lot of dust in your cabinet.
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| Quote ="21-12"Your lot would kill for the hubcap, there's an awful lot of dust in your cabinet.'"
And yet we have won far more super leagues and challenge cups and hubcaps and world club challenges in super league history than you have.
But this isn't about Saints. This is about counting the hubcap as part of the treble which is ridiculous.
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| Quote ="21-12"Your lot would kill for the hubcap, there's an awful lot of dust in your cabinet.'"
They have a cabinet??
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"And yet we have won far more super leagues and challenge cups and hubcaps and world club challenges in super league history than you have.
But this isn't about Saints. This is about counting the hubcap as part of the treble which is ridiculous.'"
I'm pretty sure if you looked anywhere, on the internet, or in a book etc... it will not tell you that Rugby League began in 1996. However, if that's the comfort you need in tough times like this, then so be it.
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| Quote ="Bluenosewarrior"I'm pretty sure if you looked anywhere,[u on the internet, or in a book [/uetc... it will not tell you that Rugby League began in 1996. However, if that's the comfort you need in tough times like this, then so be it.'"
Internet, books, in St Helens...........are you mad !!!!!!
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| Quote ="Bluenosewarrior"I'm pretty sure if you looked anywhere, on the internet, or in a book etc... it will not tell you that Rugby League began in 1996. However, if that's the comfort you need in tough times like this, then so be it.'"
I am well aware of the history of rugby league. Hence why I know that rugby league only started only saw a level playing field and a fair system once super league began.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"I am well aware of the history of rugby league. Hence why I know that rugby league only started only saw a[u level playing field and a fair system [/uonce super league began.'"
Yes, and everyone sticks to the rules laid down
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