Play fair, fellas. There has to something left to moan about, otherwise what would we do all winter?

Sorry I was being genuine, thought I'd missed a thread or announcement with regards to back up staff. Apologies if that came across as being sarcy

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I think the drift of Rouges thread is that there is so much which appears to be going right at the club.
The timing might not suit everyone but one by one it is coming right to the extent it's getting us quite giddy. Who doesn't want the season to start this weekend? I know I do. It doesn't make any sense but I wish it was!
Yet there is a fair bit to come from the Wigan RL publicity machine during this close season with more good news on the way I would imagine.
A very far cry from the not too distant days when we had the previous regime!

The look of the sponsor on the shirt? That was what got most through last winter

Just wait until the new one is announced.





The board will be in meltdown.

I see, we are pretending we have got no money coming into the club when really we have established a sponsorship portfolio to rival all the clubs in super league. And good publicity is the delay?

As much as I like to be an optimist, the value of any further sponsorship deals for this season is going to be diminished as a significant number of jerseys are going to be sold without sponsor.

Hey ho. We are guaranteed to make it up in sales. Really?

It doesnt matter which way you say it, nobody will criticise IL for making the exact same mistake again.

Exactly. Unfortunately there appears that most people on here think you can be all for or dead against.

Truth is IL and his team have done a lot of things well, but a lot of things not so well. The latter is to be expected as people learn to handle the running of a club Wigan's size. What is worrying is when we don't learn.

not if the shirts are revealed on friday, with full sponsorship on, which leaves plenty of time before christmas for anyone wanting to buy one.

Not strictly true, is it? There are several people on this thread alone.

Who are you more annoyed about - IL for getting the sponsorship wrong, or those fans who are pleased enough by other aspects of his management to not be too worried at this stage?

It sounds to me like the latter, which seems an odd attitude to take.

Spot on. The sponsorship situation is the main worry for now and it's something that I'd hoped would have been sorted after what had happened last year. It would be interesting to know why we haven't got a sponsor yet. Are we asking too much? Are people offering too little? I can't believe there's no interest due to every tom dick and harry securing sponsorship.

Time will tell I suppose.

we can call him all we like, but when it comes to business DW beats IL hands down.

can anyone honestly say that had not whelan still been in control , he would have had all this sorted out..........sponsor, shirts on sale for crimbo, merchandise, club shop..........



i dont think IL is any kind of businessman at all with all this fiasco upon fiasco.
and i never thought i wold have a good word for DW.

IL.........THE HONEYMOONS OVER MATE.......GET YOUR FINGER OUT.

Perhaps when it comes to making money DW beats IL but when it comes to running an RL club...

..I'll reserve my judgement until IL has alienated nearby club chairmen, exceeded the salary cap both properly and in principle, verbally abused a disabled coach and not allowed us to play at our ground for our most important game in years.

Purely guessing, but I think Wigan have a minimum figure for the main sponsorship and they won't go below that (quite rightly in my opinion) as it effects the long term business.

Saints new sponsors are Frontline Bathrooms Who? exactly.

i dont think IL has done too bad do you " i think he knows how to make a few bob him self

In 1985 Ian set up his own business, Workplace Systems, in Milton Keynes. The company, which develops and supplies software products for workforce management was very successful and expanded abroad to places across Europe, Australasia, the USA and the Middle East. Major retailers that are known to use and trust Workplace Systems are Argos, Focus, Sports Café, Next & Morrisons. With the success of Workplace Systems the company was floated on the London Stock Exchange in 2000 under the name Telework Systems PLC to incorporate another company founded by Ian in 1981, TeleWare, which focused on the telephony software products market.

A decline in the telephone market saw TeleWare sold off to its management in 2003 and the company change its name to WorkPlace Systems International plc which Ian owns 49% of.[2

Ian is also a successful theatre producer with over 30 productions to his name. His most recent West End hit is a co-production of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" starring Christian Slater.

Ian is also the non-executive Chairman of the Sports Café, an expanding chain of sports bars and restaurants of which he owns 1%

Ian is a huge rugby league fan. His successful business ventures have allowed him to become involved in the sport and in July 2005 he took over as Chairman and majority shareholder of Harlequins Rugby League, buying 65% of the shares and also taking a place on the board of directors and more recently became a major shareholder in Oxford United who are controlled by long-time friend Nick Merry.

hes doing a great job running the playing side of things at the club, but a crap job on the business side., and i include getting merchandise out on time there.

I think I prefer the wild rumours of old to this constant moaning

Maybe a deal has been struck with a new sponsor and they will be named on friday, who knows maybe IL has been keeping it close to his chest only time will tell.

I personally think IL is taking the club forward in all directions, DW was and is only intrested in money and to him it does not matter who or what gets in his way as long as he gets the £ the sponsorship farce with JJB proved that.

It doesn't make any difference to me if the sponsor was Aldi/Lidl/Rola Cola or whatever. If the deal is right for the club, why should the club say no?

Some people are being stupidly arrogant with thier "I wouldn't be happy if we had a small company sponsor" attitude, to be frank it's childish.

If the deal is right for the club, I'm happy.

There are thousands of companys out there that would gladly give nothing to have thier name on Wigans shirt, the tricky bit is finding someone willing to pay what wigan feel the shirt is worth.


we can comapre whelan and IL if and when we get "work place systems" on our shirts, they are made by leneghan ltd and none of this money comes back into the club, unill then lets see what happens.

What absolute cack...!!!!

IL may not be as successful in business but is ten times the Sports Club Chairman that DW is!!




Yeah!! His own company for nowt in return, really hard to arrange!!!


On sale in his own companies shops, lining his own pockets...!!!



Wouldn't happen, he kept us in the JJB for years with limited merchandise. Again on sale in his own shops lining his own pockets.

Seriously, can you imagine DW arranging his own backroom staff like IL has in the last few weeks?? No chance, it was him (on a very part time basis), Mo (who was very much out of his league) and a Head Coach.

Very well put. Everything seems to be put in a black or white category on here when the reality is most are simply different shades of grey. Lenagan has done a excellent job in many aspects but equally so there have been areas where he potentially could be doing better.

I'm glad but surprised that somebody else responded in detail to this pile of drivel. Comparing IL to DW and finding he falls short? 'Fiasco on fiasco'?

Sorry pal, but you just can't be for real.

Seriously, have you been on the turps?

you are completly clueless arnt you.