If we had Peacock in the team we'd have already qualified for Old Trafford

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Stats here. www.superleague.co.uk/report/11937 To be fair to the starting props they were on the field when we conceded those four penalties in a row, giving us little or no ball.'" I think those penalties were as a direct result of the Giants dominance up front where we were having to scrap and fight to try to stop their roll on.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Stats here. www.superleague.co.uk/report/11937 To be fair to the starting props they were on the field when we conceded those four penalties in a row, giving us little or no ball.'" I think those penalties were as a direct result of the Giants dominance up front where we were having to scrap and fight to try to stop their roll on.

To be fair to Wigan, one was due to excessive enthusiasm to defend aggressively (caught offside) and one was a poor decision as it was a dropped ball by Huddersfield (I know that for a fact as I couldn't have had a better angle from where I was sitting).

Mossop is awful and really needs to grow a pair. We desperately need a prop. Flower, Clubb and Tautai do a pretty decent job and at least show some fire. Crosby isnt fulfilling his potential and only look decent in the final quarter when the Huddersfield were tired. In the opening exchanges we were dominated and as Jon rightly says the instant the interchange occurred momentum changed. Id drop Mossop for Leeds next week as they will have a field day. We need aggression from the off. Id start with Flower and Clubb with Tautai and Crosby off the bench. Going slightly off topic I also think its paramount with have Bateman lined up against Watkins at centre to nullify his threat.

Flower is injured isn't he?
I've said for a while now how poor Crosby has been this season, he should've been dropped for Sutton a long time ago but for some reason Sutton seems to have been turned into a replacement 13.

I cant understand how Patrick gets the nod for a bench spot over Sutton seen as he can play back row as well as prop and he is aggressive which we are missing are certain periods of the game when certain players leave the field

Wane obviously likes Patrick as a utility man.

I still can't get over the fact that the bloke that used to cause us all sorts of problems at Huddersfield is a waste of space for Wigan.

Players have shone against Wigan and then proved to be not quite up to it has happened before at Wigan, read Dennis Moran to name but one.
Maybe the reason Wane picks Patrick over Sutton is because he is nursing Sutton (who by the way is still very young) and due to his aggression Wane is reining him in a bit. Or the other answer is Patrick gets the pick all the time because he maybe came to Wigan on Wanes recommendation, then not to be seen to be losing face comes into it.
Of the other starting props on Thursday I thought Crosby went better than Mossop, with Crosby at least I can see signs of aggression whereas Mossop just seems to be so robotic, he runs it in and that is it. Mossop never seems to get involved in a bit of push and shove at the tackle which even though never providing much threat at least Crosby tries to show a bit of fire.

But the most disappointing forward to me is Joel, fans rave about him saying that he is back to his best but I do not agree with that assessment.
Joel is a running second row, by that I mean he needs someone to put him through a gap and then he can really stride away and since he came back that hasn't happened .
In the past he had Tommy Leu and Sam who could put him through and he scored a lot of trys, I would like to see his try scoring stats since he came back to League. On the other side we have Liam Farrell who had Green and now Williams putting him away as well has having such quick feet he can make his own breaks, hence at times Liam seems to do double the yardage that Joel does.
This observation are only my opinion , but I think our attack is so out of balance when we look at options on the right as compared to the left.

On current form Tomkins isn't good enough. He should stop mouthing and get doing.
Mossop is next to useless and I find him embarrassing as a Wigan player. He doesn't even huff and puff let alone blow the house down.
Tautai is the worst ball handler I have ever seen but at least he looks to to take the ball in 2 out of 6 times per set. Mossop looks to avoid the ball 6 out of 6 per set.
Our best prop is Sarginson. Makes more yards than Mossop Crosby Flower put together per match.
Our props just are non existent. We need 4 new ones.
Clubb has a great work ethic but he is a pumped up centre who needs gas and air after making a couple of tackles.
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Good lord, the hyperbole is strong here!
Our pack can certainly improve, but our home record suggests we can take anyone when we bring our A game.
Would drop Crosby for Flower next week assuming he's fit. Routed for him but he's not been up to the standards he's set this season.

I have suddenly realised why our props seem to be taking the ball up a bit more in the last few weeks, Sarginson as been out for the same length of time.

As an aside I may not be on for a couple of weeks, I am logging out and then making an attempt to download Windows 10 (anything free I am having it)

Windows 10 worked fine for me... Be positive, be reet!

It's like Groundhog Day.

Mossop and Patrick are laughable.

Sutton 2 seasons off being ready (personally not sure he ever will be) Flower bit better.

Interesting they switched Bateman and Tomkins in the second half - Bateman was much better in the second row, he caused them all sorts of problems.

Mossop and Patrick played???

Genuinely didn't notice Patrick at all

The frustration is the players that are getting signed to improve teams mid seasons and also for next and season.

I hope the club are keeping it quiet whilst others make announcements. TL looks set to be signed given the public display tonight which is great, we however still need 2 big forwards, 2 props or a prop and a big backrow and a wing/centre utility as Charnley seems to have given up.

There's a lot of passengers in the Wigan team.
On one hand, the likes of Williams, Bateman, and Bowen must wish they could play against Leeds every week, as they walways seem to have a decent game, and on the other hand, the entire Wigan pack was rubbish, with the exception of Farrell.
I honestly think Wane needs to have a serious clear out in the forwards. There seems to be more quantity than quality in that department.

The funny thing for me is that I after tonight I actually think we will win SL beating Leeds in the final but I don't want to watch a poor team play poor rugby and be crowned champions.

It's a reflection on how poor the league is and how with a bit smarter recruitment we could comfortably dominate this league.

You got beaten by a team that had no recognised hooker on the pitch for most of the game. Calm your passion.

Yeah, if only you had some better players eh? You'd walk it...

Glad Leeds didn't get their man (Mossop) ...as seemed highly rumoured at one point.

Imagine if Leeds where as good as they are bulled up to be then they might have put 30+ points on us, to only beat a poor side by 7 points is really poor, specially when 2 of Leeds tries should never had been given

Aye, they dodged a bullet with that one, he's been none existent since coming back from his 3 game stint in the NRL

Its fair to point out that Wigan also played a large part of the game minus their hooker also .