mcdermot?

He's had a solid career in SL, but hardly an outstanding player. Roughly on a par with Tony Clubb in terms of appearances and caps, though obviously Bradford won a lot towards the back end of his career, largely due to better players around him in that team like Fielden, Peacock etc. When he retired, I doubt whether Bradford fans were keeping their fingers crossed he would return to coach them at some point.

only the same calibre of Noble though and Nathan Brown

WIGAN PEER OUT!!!

Why does that follow? Lam or any coach will only work wonders with Williams or any of our other players if the coach actually bothers to coach them. The fact over recent seasons players more than just Williams have continued to make the same mistakes e.g. Gelling and his brain fats, Powell's awful passing, I am not convinced Wane has worked on basic skills with any of the first team squad. If he has and it's not worked we need to accept the team does not have the potential we think it has but if not, what guarantee is there Lam is the man to do this?

I know little of his coaching career or how he is regarded as a coach and if he has a reputation of improving players then fine but I think just because he was a top half back does not mean he's going to transform Williams (and Powell's) game. He's got to be a top [icoach[/i to do this.

Noble was GB captain, I never saw him play but I'm assuming from that he was pretty good. I didn't say Nathan Brown, I said Noble and Hanley

he was average, wasnt a very good team the 84 touring team. Very young with Schoey, Gregory and Hanley breaking into the test team. No better representative than Brian Mac for me but each to their own.

IIRC Noble was a local copper when playing for Bradford. I don't remember if he was Part Time at Bradford or if he left the Police force to play fulltime ? But he was an average player and a keen worker in the pack.

I do remember McDermot knocking about 3 opposition players onto the floor with straight punches in one game. He is an ex-Royal Marine commando by all accounts.

He was playing for Bradford against Leeds

I would say that being a half back gives him a head start in that department, he can pass on actual experience of playing the position at the very highest level (State of Origin).

I accept what you say and I know u love a good Wane-bashing but I have heard good things regarding Adrian Lam and I really hope he is our new coach

Planting the seeds for disliking Coach Lam as well.

"Told you so. I mistrusted him before he was even announed."

Some did it before Madge was appointed...

Ahh fair enough, as I say, I didn't see him play, just made the assumption based on him being GB captain

Didn't Lam start his coaching career with us? Thought he was the U21s coach with Wane as U18s coach.
They then revised this with Lam as head coach of U21s and U18s with Wane as asst to both teams (squads).
He then left for the NRL.

You are paranoid. I have no idea what Lam's reputation as a coach is. Do you? If so feel free to enlighten me.

Fair enough. We need a change of direction and a coach who can improve players instead of us having to watch them make the same mistakes week in, week out.

Who is Lam currently coaching (or assistant to)? Wikipedia implies he's been out of the game since 2012 so surely that can't be right.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/08/16/10/ ... ast-titans This article from a year ago says he is/was Mal meninga’s assistant for the Australian National team.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/08/16/10/ ... ast-titans This article from a year ago says he is/was Mal meninga’s assistant for the Australian National team.

Aye and only scraped home v England in the World Cup. Definitely not good enough for Wigan.

For some people I don’t think anyone is good enough for Wigan

Sometimes, I'm sure this is the truth of it.

We were too spoiled in the late 80s, early 90s. Some of us just can't get over it.

It wasn't just then we were the very best. Apart from periods like 1970, we have been at the very pinnacle of Rugby League success. That is for over 120 years. We have a tradition and standards to maintain.

Almost impossible to maintain in an era we are miles behind the NRL and yawnion in money and playing staff we have no chance with the salary cap.

I agree. But, it shouldn't stop us trying and worryingly that's what send to be happening.

One of his biggest challenges, whoever it is, is moving on the conditioning team.