Keep forgetting we all know more than him.

So it's drive it in, accept the tackle and drop to the floor for quick play the ball? If I still played the game and I was told that I'd be quite devastated. The game really is becoming a chess match that's played more off the pitch than on it with preset tactics and set plays. This isn't a Wane whinge, this is a whinge about the game in general as I'm sure most clubs will do similar. It's no wonder we don't want any big forwards, the yards are made before the collision as the players are told to basically surrender and look for quick play the balls or a penalty, light quicker forwards make more yards before the collision.

You know what?
I'd take more notice of people if they hadn't spent the last 2 years twisting every tiny thing into a massive Wane slagging off tool.

Certain posters who said Hamlin would get a game every week because he was a wane buy then slagged wane off for not playing him.
Now on other threads making a scenario where wane can't win with regards to team selection next week.

He may very well have said what he said about Hamlins leg drive but to be honest I'm.sick to death of reading so much negativity regarding wane when most of the time he hasn't done or said anything wrong that I tend to switch off it's become that boring.

Lockers/Powell/Burgess and probably clubb come back in for me if everyone fit

If any doubts about lockers it wouldn't bother me if he missed out and have him firing for Leeds away.

Woods/Ganson/Marshall to miss out and possibly navarette dependant on lockers and also escare.

I get the Burgess argument but for me he was fantastic at saints on good Friday same as his other games so far (and Marshall has to be fair).
I just feel under pressure and in big games budgie is the more complete all round player (some of the bombs he took GF were superb).

There is nothing been taken out of context here nor is this a snippet. I have just listened to the radio manchester link and Wane is quite clear he doesn't want Hamlin to play like that and says it not good for the team. I actually made a joke on the "other" Wigan forum before I saw this thread and listened to that clip that Wane would coach this out of him and Hamlin would end up like FPN. Looks like that is the plan.

This drop to the floor for a quick ptb was first tried by Bradford in their halcyon days. It was very successful.
So much so that it was deemed not appropriate and they brought in the "surrender" tackle and this nullifies any advantage as it gives the tacklers more time to get off the tackled player. This is why dropping to the floor as soon as contact is made doesn't get a quick ptb. Hamlin went into contact and continued with leg drive, he got better quick ptb and any number of penalties.

On Wigan TV Waney says he liked what Hamlin did, he also gave credit to Romain. I reckon both will be in the squad at Catalan but not at Leeds nor home to Cas.

Just on this quick p-t-b thing: seems to me that this tactic would make more sense if we ran from dummy half more and caught markers not square, as they do a lot in the NRL. Couple of penalties like that in a set and you are right up in your opponents' 20. Yet we seldom do that.

It's the way they play in the NRL.
But then again what do they know.

Just remind me where Hamlin came from and learned the game? Bit confused.
I think there should be room for both in our game plan. A lot of the best in NRL have great leg drive through contact. It also sets up good plays and offloads examples Roby off Walmsely and Barba off Thompson just Friday gone .... but then again what do we know?
The other big thing is this as a fan is what I want to see it gets me behind the team and in turn the team feed off it. I pay to be entertained and running hard through contact is a major part of that.
This is not out of context and a real concern!

I posted the other day that Wane clearly knows what he's doing and you're 100% correct that he simply can't win in some peoples eyes regardless of what he does but I'm firmly in the camp that says these comments are just laughable. They may have been made in the middle of rafts of praise for the kid but ultimately they override anything postive he's said for me because they kill the lads biggest attribute stone dead and they go against everything people have wanted to see in a prop forward for as long as the games been played.

On the point you make about Marshall, what a position to be in. I peronally would have the kid as first pick after today and Davies and Burgess would fight for the other spot. I've been impressed with Burgess since he came back in and I still think theres more to come but that was sensational from Marshall today. He's scored four and set one up and whilst he wasn't really tested at the other end, he did everything asked of him and made some real ground for us. I'd put Davies in the riskier position for next week and that's amazing to say. The lad does so much graft for us but he's bombing some big chances at points this season with poor handling and it's something he really needs to work on (and I'm sure he will). There's no doubt that Burgess and Marshall are far more naturally skilled rugby players then Davies but its tough to look past his wokrate. As I say it's a really great problem to have.

Oh for the days of straight running, barnstorming , offloading prop forwards.

Cas/Leeds would/will rain bombs down on Marshall, thoughbut.

But yeah, he was terrific today. I said a while back that he was the player in our squad most likely to have me on the edge of my seat, and he produced here. The try assist where he kept his foot in the field of play by a fraction was superb.

They would but then they would with Tom Davies as well and in truth I’ve seen little to suggest he’s much better at grabbing them in traffic. I’ve been impressed with Burgess recently in regards to defending high kicks. It’s something he should be good at given his height and he does look to be improving and seems to have worked out a way of catching them high above his head. It’s a bit Aussie Rules style and similar to how Richards used to take them.

What's unbelievable is a coach getting criticised for a comment about his style of play when his team are top try scorers in Superleague?

I can’t speak on behalf of others but for me it’s not a personal attack on Wane or his style of play. As I said earlier, I like Wane and our style of play this year has been very good, not disputing that.

But surely if you were at the game yesterday you acknowledge what Hamlin brought us. He made a stupid amount of metres and gained about four penalties because of his leg drive - penalties that led to try scoring positions. Wane always asks for noise from the crowd, every time Hamlin took it in that’s what he got. If you take that out of his game and he does the FPN style touch then drop, we lose one of his biggest attributes.

Quite simply, does Hamlin deserve another game against a better team? I would say yes. I would also suggest that making contact and dropping does not always get a quicker ptb, especially if the ref calls surrender. It also allows defenders to put fewer men in the tackle which will leave a stronger defensive line. I am not saying that it is a bad tactic but it should not be the only one.

But would he be able to do that against the better sets of opposition props that we’re going to be up against in the next few games? The HKR pack was pretty poor.

Our style of play hasn’t been good at all this season, especially against the “bigger” teams such as Warrington/Saints. It was clear the game plan on Friday was to bash them up for 15mins or so and see what we can do after that. Saints sucked it up and out played us, IMHO we were kept in it through good defence.

What’s more disappointing was that our props were anonymous on Friday. Seriously I don’t think we’d have noticed if they didn’t play at all. So to hear that Hamlin had a barnstormer for a debut is very refreshinf and encouraging. It sounds like he does what a prop should do - run it in as hard as you can every single time and make yards for the backs to play off. Then for SW to criticise him on Radio Manchester? Unbelievable. We’ve struggled making yards at all this season with our forwards and now we are suddenly it’s wrong?

I lost patience with SW a while ago, I’m always game for throwing a second chance in there but for me he needs to be moved on.

I don’t know. But it was his debut so he could only play what was in front of him, hopefully we will find out.

The style of play has been very good but that comment about Hamlin is just weird. His running game yesterday added more excitement to our style of play and not the other way round.

I just can’t sit and agree with him that he thinks players should be trying to find the floor rather then driving their legs in contact. That to me is simply ridiculous! If the opposition know you’ll do that they’ll just thrown men in to the tackles and slow you down. In comparison it was taking 3 or 4 defenders to bring Hamlin to ground, which created loads of space and he also won 4 penalties due to his running game. They could be absolutely crucial in big games for us when we’re trying to get out of our half.

I back Wane to the hilt most of the time but I’ve long criticised the tactics of our props and our on the minute rotation. He’s confirmed a few fears with those comments imo.

Does nobody else just think waney was playing it down a bit and not getting carried away???? Nobody in there right mind wouldnt want players to make more yards??? I might be wrong but lets be honest it wouldnt be the first time comments of this nature have come out, he once said matty smith was not going to saints when we knew all that he had signed a deal. Some people just look for negatives, them same people where probabl whinging after 20 minutes yesterday saying our attack’s not good enough ect... when in fact the first 20 destroyed hull kr’s fitness and patterns. Lets be positive, we have at least 25 genuine super league players available for this week. Saints played 16 out of fridays 17 yesterday, that tells me they have not got much behind there 17. I wouldnt swap our squad for anyones.

Jonny I agree with the majority of your post particularly about the Saints squad. I would have liked Woods to have got more of the ball and take the line on a bit more but Im sure that will come with more experience and growing confidence.
I must admit I played the Radio Manchester interview a couple of times and SW seemed to be saying that he didn't want Hamlin to be playing like he did yesterday which if correct is particularly disappointing. I wish Clubb & TT could play like Hamlin. Hopefully you are right and SW was just trying to play down Hamlin's debut to keep his feet on the floor.
A reasonable start to the season and the next 4 games I think will tell us more about our potential to be in the hunt for trophies.

Watched the game again on Wigan TV. All four prop forwards showed great 'leg drive' at times during the match.

I also noticed some other comments from Wane saying he was pleased that all the forwards 'ran hard'.

Really find it a head scratcher. Must be a terminology thing. If you dont run with good leg drive the odds are you'll get pushed back rather than hit the floor. If you do then not only do you make more metres but surely you have a better chance of hitting the floor on the front foot.

Feel like Im typing a book of rugby league for dummies but obviously Shaun Wane has far more RL knowledge than me. Just difficult to get your head round.

On a side note I thought Ganson played very well for us - looks a talented and smart hooker.

In the Post tonight Wane's praising him again, his only complaint is about him going down winded with no-one near him.

Agree on Ganson, need to get him a lot of game time this year. Can establish starting 17 spot for next year IMO.

For me the bottom 5 sides are really struggling to compete with the top 4.

Salford, Catalans, KR, Widnes and Huddersfield are games we should be blooding, Ganson, Woods, Field etc

Ganson for me is a superb player and ought to be playing in most of, if not every game.