How bad is Lockyers defence of late, the lad is a liability, he is good going forward, no longer great, but very good not the player he was, and fading fast.

If you are going to throw cash at a half, Ben Roberts is all class as is Mateo.

Are you being serious about Lockyer, granted he is not as quick in defence and has missed the odd tackle but he is no liability, he puts huge hits in. You go and watch the first 5 mins of SOO.

He also showed up on Marshal when the Bronco's played Wests, and in the Anzac, week in week out though not on the big stage he is getting shown up more and more often.

Roberts has absolutely owned him today Lockyer is getting everything wrong in defence.

I have not seen alot of him at club level so I cannot judge on that.

Who would you suggest we sign then?

I think the loss of Tony Carrol as Lockyer's enforcer is having a clear impact on his defensive game.

unsure who is available. Ideal world Roberts or Mateo.

Not Orford or Myler?

Love the location btw jonh

brilliant.

Not in an ideal world but both would be short term and long term good signings in my opinion.

As i said, not sure who is a realistic target/who is available.

Take a look at the list on one of the other pages, its has all the players from the NRL who are out on contract.

Not Orford please. Overrated and would more than likely want a big wage. I think we could do a lot better

Overated

he is not. He is what we need in some ways as he ticks the boxes for experience, a good kicking game.....

In another way we need someone who can be a long term partner for Sam.

like i said we do not know who is available.

i will guarantee 1 if not both our new signings are not on that list.

Wouldn't be surprised if we're one of the SL clubs interested in him. He's 31 so that would knock the 'long term partner for Sam' on the head.

I was trying to make the point that it's hard to find the balence of what we need, indeed Orford does not tick that final box, but I think he ticks more than most other players.

Agreed.

Personally i think in 2 years we will be in a much better position to identify a long term partner for ST.

I agree that we will be in a better position to look for a long term partner but some would argue that we could of missed out on a terrific partner for him in Myler, me included.

i use to be a handy centre

Broncos: Karmichael Hunt, [iDarren Lockyer.[/i been ripped apart past few games.

Raiders: Phil Graham, Scott Logan, Nigel Plum.

Bulldogs: Brent Crisp, Hazem El Masri, Daniel Holdsworth, Charlie Leano, Darryl Millard, Ben Roberts 23 years old, playing well, family connections living just down the road, Michael Sullivan, Matt Utai, Danny Williams.

Sharks: Mitch Brown, Luke Covell, Blake Green, Brett Kearney very good utility player, plays all over the back line, Bryan Norrie, Ben Ross. Mouthy body bashing prop as Cooper Cronk found out last year, but then again Ross did get banned for 7games after it



Titans: Brenton Bowen, Daniel Conn, Brett Delaney, Ben Jeffrey, Matt White.

Sea Eagles: Heath L'Estrange, Matt Orford, Michael Robertson, David Williams.

Storm: Sinbad Kali, Clifford Manua, Dane Neilsen, Steve Turner.

Warriors: Aiden Kirk, Evarn Tuimavave, Leeson Ah Mau.

Knights: Cameron Ciraldo, Richard Fa'aoso, Marvin Karawana, Keith Lulia, Luke MacDougall, Tim Natusch.

Cowboys: Matt Scott, Shane Tronc, Anthony Watts.

Eels: Josh Cordoba, Joe Galuvao, Todd Lowrie, Fui Fui Moi Moi, Junior Paulo, Taulima Tautai, Jeremy Latimore.

Panthers: Paul Aiton, Matt Bell, Petero Civoniceva has signed up till 2011, Geoff Daniela, Junior Moors, Keith Peters.

Rabbitohs: Beau Falloon, Michael Greenfield, Scott Geddes, Jaiman Lowe, David Kidwell.

Dragons: Matt Head. Great career before he joined Hull, but since then hasn't got back to his previous NRL standards, nice style of player tho.

Roosters: Anthony Minichiello, Nate Myles.

Tigers: Dean Collis, Dene Halatau, Shannon Gallant, Danny Galea, John Morris, Corey Payne, Todd Payten.

After finding out who this guy was

Mr Lenegan should sign him up asap! After last nights game especially because every time he took the ball in he knocked the first bloke off and crunched them in the tackle. This lad is special and I would say a small transfer fee would sprise him away from the big smoke.

Agreed, but I think he'll be Fielden's replacement.

I did not realise Roberts was OOC, he would be my number 1 target, the lad is all class.

I also thin Carney is the most under rated player in the NRL, would have loved him to sign for Wigan, but we do not need another outside back, and add to this he is currently sidelined with a career threatening injury, we should not touch him with a barge poll.

I know, I've only just realised reading through the list again. Only young, but the guy as one heck of a talent, far better option then Orford/Finch/name them all. Wouldn' come cheap I'd expect but alot cheaper then the others, more to put towards prop's and an FB

Just seen he has signed for a further 2 years with the Bulldogs. It does really make me wonder who the hell we are looking at/have signed.

Personally I hope we don't sign Lockyer, I think he's too old and, while he was class last year or the year before, your right, he is fading in my opinion.

However his defense is sound. He has a really good defensive game IMO

Orford having a pretty influential game thus far for Manley.