If thats the base of your argument as opposed to the facts that all quins bring and have brung in their previous guises is the begging bowl every 4 or 5 years. I would love to enter into a childish argument and trade childish insults with you, but you would win with all the experience you have of that nonsense.

If it was meant to be funny, you have failed in that department too

The game will be well rid of you

But to have a R/L team in london is fantastic but it must be able to support itself and not expect handouts every 4 or 5 years, for gods sake you have had 30 years of trying and still nobody (apart from the gallant few) in the capital gives a toss, how many more names/venues/rescues do the RFL have to provide before the club can support itself............................................ and the welsh are worse, they went for the cash after only one year.

The only expansion club making a fist of it are the french , but they were and still are in a french RL stronghold, so no surprises there

Keep shouting it and you may get some nutter to believe it

btw Lindsey was the worst thing ever to happen to the game, a cheat and a liar of the highest order

How many more times??? THE RFL DO NOT PROVIDE US WITH GROUNDS

Well said.

The good news, of course, is that Harlequins RL will no longer have to put up with Brian McDermott.

This can only be a good thing.

I would counter that you are the one bringing the childish behaviour. It is very far from being a FACT that alway we have brung (And I'm thinking you're not overburdened with an overabundance of schooling.) is the begging bowl every 4 or 5 years. Please go away and read up on some facts, such facts as you as a person really aren't bringing much to the debate. You will keep a civil tongue in that mouth or I will sew it shut. Is there an understanding between us?

That was the harsh reaction version, the next is if you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet (Quins), you'd best teach it to dance (tell the club how to increase crowds).

If you want to debate with the grown ups, please bring some facts with you. Please list the "hand outs" we have had....links to the publicly available accounts, the news stories, the statements from the financial department at the RFL explaining why...........
....but as you can't do us all a favour........go play with the other kiddies in the sin bin.

If you want to debate with the grown ups, please bring some facts with you. Please list the "hand outs" we have had....links to the publicly available accounts, the news stories, the statements from the financial department at the RFL explaining why...........
....but as you can't do us all a favour........go play with the other kiddies in the sin bin.

Sorry, can't see any connection between your reply and my point.

Get someone famous that appeals to the mass morons that read the cheap magazines that these said famous people always appear in. Someone like Beckham, Jordan, Simon Cowell, Peter Andre, Piers Morgan, Jeremy Clarkson etc etc to either plug the club or be seen at an event where they are wearing a Quins top, that will increase your fan base by millions overnight, granted they'll all be thoughtless clapping seals who follow all the trends because they are brain dead sheep who can't talk 'propa', but hey you have Gutterfax, so you're not worried about the quality of fan

just the numbers.

I am just worried about the lack of Gutterfax at Home games

He rarely paid though!

Still more tosh . The scrounging must stop or goodbye

You will sew my mouth shut, get a fecking life, its pixels and fonts and if the truth upsets you that much, shouldnt you be at Milwall ?

sew my mouth shut............. oooooh im ting myself

Do you support Cas?

Having read what has been published in the press and posted on here over the past few days, I can't help but think there are too many people stuck on unimportant things.

The whole point of this thread was to discuss if Quins was going to fail as an organisation. A lot of what I see is mud throwing between people in regards to weather or nor the RFL has give hand outs, what will happen with sky. I think these issues will fall hand in hand, if a SL club goes to the wall, with all the safe guards in place to help this not happen, then our sport has become tainted.

I live and work in London, I am one of the 1,000,000 fans the RFL told Quins marketing that live in London. Do I attend games? No, before the boo's start I'll explain this. As a huge RL fan I feel duty bound to spread the gospel far and wide, to this extent I have been involved in a number of different grass-roots projects all over the capital. This is what stopped me attending games. Quins pick a 3pm Saturday afternoon kick-off. Fine for RL fans/amateur players in west London/north Surrey, but rubbish for anyone in any other part of London who, to be fair the best chance of a fan base, are involved with amateur RL. I can not see the logic in this, why would a club push away there best chance of a fan base?

This is why 2, maybe 3, years ago when the club gave out free season tickets to every player and coach in the amateur game down here failed and no body turned up. As they were to busy getting involved with playing the sport.

On top of this, living in the city centr,e the Stoop isn't the best place to get too. 90 mins to travel 18 miles, if the public transport is running a full service. I can be in Manchester in that time if I got a train from Euston. As most people commute during the week, they don't want the same on a weekend.

Another big issue the Quins have is that everyone thinks a rugby union club, well because it is. That's not my point, there is very few people are aware that there are two different clubs share a name and, to some extent, sharing a ground. Is this because the marketing team are hoping to piggy back of the RU clubs name? Well the games up 4 year and only backwards steps. There is nothing wrong sharing the same name, but there must be a big push to spread the word into the city.

Having a conversion with a London base weekly free publication, I asked him why there was so little coverage of RL, his answer "the man in the street doesn't care, they want to read about footballers, golfers, ect". Maybe so, but in a city of 6,000,000ish, I don't know the true number, sorry it's not in my job description to count how many people live in London, the RFL clam there is around 1,000,000 fans, so that is, if my maths are working, 1 in 6 people like RL. So would an interview with say LMS, if he wasn't leaving, go down so bad? Local boy makes good kind of angle.

The quins media team should be hounding every sports editor in the city, on a slow news day you might get something substantial in. The local TV press as well, the only time the club was mentioned was when purdo's brother die. I don't think it took much journalism to like to two together, however there was no mention of a club statement. Again, it raises a profile, might not be the kindest way of doing it, but it still will give people the incite the club is here.

What a lot have people have missed is that if the club goes to the wall there will be thousands of kids without heroes to look up too. The amateur game in London will not go away, it is too strong and has too many people roped into it. However little Jonny is not going to, and no disrespect meant by this, look up to Paul Thorman at Skolars as a hero. He won't see him on Sky every week, so he looks like another amateur player.

I would like to know what people think on these points, as if anyone will hold back, and please can this thread come back to the real issue of saving little Jonny's dreams of playing our wonderful sport at the top leave, in his home town.

Who or what i support is nothing to do with you or the hard men on here

He writes in English yet it would seem he does support Cas, im confused

probably trollbulls united......I think you'll find we are dealing with a bitter and twisted Wakey fan

Lighthearted banter, abuse, threats even taking the out of old flat cap and whippet me is fine, even your resident enforcer threatening to sew my mouth up is amusing, but you sir have crossed the line................................. I would rather eat my own e and yours too than support such a shower as wakefield and their begging bowls.
they are almost as big a scrounger the quins nad crus

pah

freddie84,

How does it take you 90 minutes from your home in the "city centre" of London? You can get to the stadium from Waterloo in 35 minutes, what are you doing for the other 55 minutes?

problem is your stats show you spend more time trolling on all of the other boards that your allegiance will always remain a mystery......we can however establish however that your poor spelling and lack of a command of the english language, combined with what appears to be a lot of time on your hands at the moment may lead us to believe that your mummy and daddy have disappeared down the working mens club this lunchtime leaving you home alone. Perhaps next time they should remember to activate the child lock on your computer.

I just journey planned on tfl website from north london

walking, bus, 2 tubes, overground, walking. 2 hours

then went on google maps and got directions and times by car
50 mins (if it's clear)

i believe him and the interweb would seem to back it up, but when are you ever wrong even when faced with actual evidence ?

I'm intregued as to how it could take so long - hence asking him rather than telling him he is wrong.

I didn't realise North London was the "city centre" either.