You may have hit on way for Quins to spread the word. Lets be honest most men read whats on certain walls then any where else...just leave the name Quins and a phone number



sorry i know not a subject to joke about with whats happening but just a little note to lighten the mood.

That is not how I interpret what you said! and your response is even more confusing at times. As Londo06 says clearly! you seem to know more than we do who are closer to the reality of the club.

But it is funny how many Northern supporters always seem to know something, often if it unclear what they do know?

let me just say this in reply, the "rugby league needs a london presence" theory is a line constantly trotted out by sky tv and it suits them as they are southern based, its a view red hall have adopted because sky are the paymasters after all and basically whatever they say the RFL will do. The london based press don't believe in this strap line if their coverage is anything to go by. I can also understand why you lads down there seize on it as a lifebelt when it comes to franchise time. I don't buy it, rugby league is alive and well and thriving in the south due to the many number of volunteers, enthusiasts and helpers who run the amateur scene, and in answer to the other poster if sky one day decide to pull out and take their bat and ball home (not to mention their cash) rugby league will carry on after all it has for a hundred and numerous years, with incidentally teams from other parts of the country than the M62 corridor!

Now having said all that I really do hope you carry on due to the fact regardless of where you are in the country you have as much if not more legitimacy of any team who might want to replace you to be in superleague, widnes, leigh, batley, barrow and featherstone don't offer more than you do to the competition at the moment. I do think going forward you'll need to move though, someone said people wont watch a losing team wherever it is but its patently obvious you wont improve your squad without bigger gates and more income.

anyway good luck for the future.

Cas/Wakefield/Salford have had anything up to 120 years to sort themselves out and find a good financial model. Quins have had 30 and at present things are tough. If they need assistance to bridge the gap then they should be given it. Quins are not on a level playing field at present because they do not have the long history the northern clubs have; a history which ensures that people are aware of their local rugby league club even if they choose not to support it. People in London are often not even aware Quins RL exist. If they need support to change that then that's fine by me.

Meanwhile, Wakey and Cas should ground share, otherwise it is likely to end up in tears. In the Championship.

Its all good people saying rugby league will continue if sky pulled out but it is not as easy that. Yeah the game will continue but not like we see it!

You can forget the high salaries, new stadiums and would it would lead to top players going to the NRL. Rugby League in Europe needs sky, the RFL and every single club know's this.

Expansion has to continue people!!

Do you not think that crowds will improve though when the new stadium is built.
You only have to look at the likes of Hull and Warrington to see that this is the case.
Saints at the moment are averaging roughly 11,000 so I would say that with the new stadium I reckon we will average 13,500 at least.

Okay fellas, let's be honest, Rugby League as a sport is failing.

Horrible thing to say I know, but since Union went professional, they have learnt how to get in a new fan base and League has just faded away to the point where the sport is a joke. International League is like international NFL - an oxymoron.

If League is serious, then QRL has to be supported, but calling it QRL is wrong. The club is London Broncos - as LB means something, QRL doesn't.

The RFL has to support a Professional SL London Team, otherwise the sport will die. The RFL should spend money on promoting a London Based SL club, all we need is more bums on seats and then the current problems will dissipate. Expecting the current set up to do this in isolation is not only unfair, it is wrong.

Also, News International could easily run promotions through discounted tickets, competition etc., but it doesn't which begs the question is NI interested in League any more? Union gets better crowds, better advertising revenue so what's in it for Sky?

If London fails, the sport professionally will die. Support a London side or see your teams fade away as well as Sky could easily drop the sport and plug in more Union.

Only time will tell! but I doubt it, yes at first the new factor but long term No!

It is so encouraging how many others club's supporters seem to visiting our board to express their opinions! though I was born in the borough of St Helens and still live there I was accused yesterday of being a "Troll" for commenting on the board - LOL - as if that worried me "The Chief Scout" - watched rugby league since I was six and only been physically attacked on one ground, yes Knowsley Road and called a "Cockney F ****r" as I was pushed around leaving the stand after the game which we drew!

Always found the fans at KR very hospitable and even the pubs welcoming.

Doesnt Superleage more often than not beat Guinness Premiership when it comes to TV ratings. Your def right about the RFU doing things a lot better than the RFL when it comes to gaining new fans, advertising etc.

I wouldnt say Rugby League is completly failing as in australia it is thriving compared to union!

Then how do you think I felt! in my home town and sat in the stand and everyone else just watched on and I was on my own!

It may well do, and attendance figures for the two competitions are generally quite similar as far as I can see. The key difference between league and union in England is the geographical distribution of clubs. The union Premiership has twelve clubs in twelve different counties between Newcastle and Exeter: Greater London, Greater Manchester, Tyne & Wear, Somerset, Devon, Gloucestershire, West Yorkshire, Leicestershire, Berkshire, Northamptonshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire. Whilst it doesn't have anything like the profile of football it can claim to be a truly nationwide sport at the top professional level the same as cricket, and like cricket it's got a big international scene featuring eight or so nations that are all fairly competitive when they play each other and can fill the largest grounds.

By contrast, eleven of the twelve English Superleague clubs are almost in a straight line running across the country between Merseyside and Humberside, whilst the top three nations are never likely to lose to anyone other than each other.

So every other club should be penalised, just because you are in London ??????

Get real , only the gallant few (and I salute you) want the game down there, Thirty years ao trying should show you that

What utter tosh, the game was around for years before the London experiment and will still be around if the quins fail again, but as a club, the quins have to stand alone, propping them up at every financial crisis is just plain wrong , as it is with that ridiculous welsh team.

I hope quins can make it on their own back because just cadging when times get hars is going to encourage more far off places with no interest in R/L to come cadging the RFL's money (see crusaders )

good luck

Yes the distribution of the clubs in superleage is the problem when it comes to the rugny leage being seen as nationwide sport in the eyes of fans and media.. On an international level union isnt that much different to league when it comes to the top 3 teams. Yes there is better competition below that and the international scene is alot better in union but teams in the north still go decades without winning in NZ, OZ or SA.

How many rugby union Tri-Nations have New Zealand won now? When was the last time Australia won it?

Are you one of these people who don't dare travel further westward than Liverpool due to the fear that you might fall off the edge of the world? I guess north Wales is just one of those far off lands over the yonder that you've heard whispered about by travelling folk and explorers who sometimes pass through town with strange tales of a race of people with funny accents and bizarre chimera's the likes of which you couldn't imagine.

Before Sky came on the scene and Super League was instigated the game was nearly dead as a professional sport. Since Sky it has grown and for a number of years it was in the ascendancy. We then had the World Cup in England which was a disaster and since then Union has beaten League into the ground on terms of paying punters though the gates at club level.

If you want the sport to remain in the heartlands it will die, there's no money in it and no gain for advertisers in showing such a minor sport.

would dropping down to the championships be better for the future of the quins instead of losing big money each year struggling

I think what would benefit Quins RL and League in London in general would be for the media to take more notice, to get stories to the press, to have journalists interested in league. That is how it can work. What coverage do Quins get in London newspapers?

Talk about stating the obvious, but we get pretty much nothing

I take it by "regulars in locals" you mean all those northerners who have moved down here over the years who have the same myopic vision of RL as yerself??

Now may I be as bold to suggest you worry about HKR's massive debt, a non Super league standard stadium and team full of aussies, begging for tax payer funded "bailouts" for a new stadium when your city already has a perfectly fine taxpayer funded one you could use with your neighbours and the football team and we'll "worry" about a pot less Quins RL.

On the fans front you will rarely find new families coming to union, with new fans being kids of dads who have played or followed the game or new girlfriends.

On the advertising front the union side followed on from us by getting big names on shirts, ie Fosters, Virgin, etc but we have not got much money in for that name on the shirt. Where union is different is the names behind the scenes have forced through good deals for their clubs or shown full stadiums at Twickenham and solid fanbase growth until around 2007-08. Since then there have been big showcase, but non-final events such as the London double header or Saracens playing at Wembley. Now these are very attractive to sponsors, whereas we can be dismissed as next to meaningless, oh it's just a few people in Wakefield, Castleford and Wigan, is it really worth my money to sponsor a shirt, or advertise at the ground for such a narrow market. This against a sport which runs from the deep South to very North of England, as well as much of Europe and the colonies, although they are not growing as they were pre-law changes they can show themselves to be growing even if they are not.

The game was starting to die a slow death before Maurice Lindsay introduced Sky to the game and I was no fan of Maurice but he rescued the game, so let's not think that all was well! If Sky see the game is not developing and is going back to M62 Clubs and withdraw then the game could be in turmoil as clubs will not survive full time and how will they pay for the new stadiums then without Sky money.

Can't speak for Castleford as I've never been there, but this country and the world in general have changed quite a bit over the years, even just the few years since Superleague started, and things still are and will continue to change. RL has to change as well if it's to have any hope of competing with all the rival attractions. Having been around for years is no guarantee of continuing to be around.