Ahh but which Christmas.......The new website seems to be missing a shop at present

Oh no, don't tell me it'll be out, but unpurchaseable !

Looking at the financials for 2012 and based on the number 200 for last years "members", it's fair to say that the club has lost in the region of 1,100 "up front" purchasers. Whilst this isn't "last year", it is fair to say that we lost over a thousand ST holders because of the move to the Hive. I would not say many of these losses were because of the membership issue, more the "we're crap and I'm not going north to watch is get hammered" issues.


As for daftdads motives? Regardless of if it's his prejudice against "memberships" or not,the fact is he is not alone. I really hope they can get some fans back in 2015........I really enjoyed my first trip to the Hive and can only recommend that others who haven't bothered, do so this year coming. Tidy ground and perfect for the level we will be playing at.

The simple reason crowd numbers have dropped is because of the results on the pitch, you don't have to go into the whys and wherefores we all know simple fact people do not want to pay to watch any team lose.
Contrary to what you suggest gutters, the optimists on here are not suggesting everything in rosy in the broncos garden, I will say it again, we know it's pants, but what is the point in looking at the negative in every single thing.
For me I think next year could be interesting with some competitive rugby, the super 8 will throw up a surprise.
The draw of Doncaster compared to Wigan is a dilemma, but if we start winning, then folk will come back, not in massive numbers but people will come to watch a team that's winning
Sundays gonna cause some folk hurt, being totally selfish it means I will get to probably every home game, and get to do more community stuff on a Saturday.
Nope things ain't great, have never said it was, the club is still here tho!
As for season ticket or membership, might be wrong but I suspect daft dad would still have made the choice to be a walk up on the day fan irrelevant if way season ticket membership was done
But the nub of the matter, you can only look forward, harping on about the past will not change it.
Drone over.

I have historic LB data on attendances that blows that theory out of the water......yes, you lose fans, but not in the numbers we did!

We're nearly there Michael....if we could just get rid of Hughes then I'd start being more positive.

No it won't....but you keep on praying.....

I hope so, but building a marketing plan around a winning team has "form" at London Broncos"........in case you missed the meeting IT DOESNT FUCKIN9 WORK!

I fly from Wellington to Auckland and back for Sunday Warriors games.......some people need to take 2 concrete pills and harden the hell up!

Maybe, but it's not the club I started following in 2002.

I believe you may, or may not be right.....

correct....but as long as people keep shaking his hand and thanking Hughes, neither will we learn from our mistakes either.
NEVER!

As you like to do it I will pick each comment and respond. Historical data is like stats you can bend them to say what you want, the draw of rugby league in the south is fragile, of course flitting around from ground to ground is not going to help, I stand by my statement, when a team is losing it loses fans.

Mr Hughes nearly went! What happened?

Next year, what are this week's lottery numbers please as you can predict the future. I stopped getting premier sport because they stopped showing championship games, NRL I found dull to watch.if it's the super 8 you mean, well we will have to wait and see but I think interesting is more positive than no it won't.

Bully for you going up to aukland I bet it's still easier than the commute some London fans have done over the years, if warriors were getting spanked every game would you do it?

Are Wigan, saints, Leeds, Bradford the same team as in 2002 is rl the same, it's called change things happen people come and go we can't stop it.

yes we should learn from mistakes, but there is one vital thing here, we don't own the club, we don't have the ability to own the club so it's not us that have to learn from mistakes because apart from going or not going to games their is not a lot we can do about it, that's the same for nearly all clubs.

oops missed one, typing in capitals does not mean I read louder, and why use foul language

back on thread, good to see the website back up, just got to see if the shirts turn up, wonder if we will get a season launch event? We have the players, we have the venue.

I believe Ian Ramsdale said there will be a season launch event somewhere.
Wouldn't surprise me if its at that new sponsor/partner in Watford but that's my guess.
People will come to watch us play the teams in the championship and keep coming back if the product on and off the pitch is good, it hasn't been for a long while but don't think being in the champs is a big turn off.
I bought mates before (circa 2007) and because they are used to seeing sold out football grounds, that watching a semi decent Quins RL team in a mostly empty stadium prompted them to ask me if we were in the championship then. They did come back for a while but then got fed up with it.
Can't wait to tell them we are winning and I'm the top 4 and bring them back again.

You are correct mickyb I did and do attend when I can and for what it is worth, I would not have made all the games last year but would have been happy to have paid for a season ticket. What I find difficult is to justify payment to a third party for a membership I did not want or desire. As I said nothing as changed in my opinion from last year with regard to the membership scheme and have no desire to buy one for this coming season. If I am correct I remember Meliferra saying the membership was not favourable to Broncos fans but I cannot be bothered trawling through old posts. On a brighter note I trust this season on the pitch at least will be a big improvement and the right noises are been made for good campaign.

Daft dad, I get what yr saying, but I think it's a bit of a perception thing, basically the way I see the membership is its a season ticket spread over 12 months if that's what you want, the fact it's still running during off season is pretty irrelevant. If season ticket is 150, if you pay 1 off 150 10 payments of 15 or 10 of 14 and 2 of 5 what does it matter.
I do think the actual issue that does need answering is, what is it gonna cost to watch em next year

You are right price is a key factor. Moving from the Stoop to the Hive was a big hike in prices especially for the youth which was another sore point last year. Bit worrying though if nothing has been said about next years prices given the fixture list is out.

They will be the same as 2013.

Not our problem though as we don't get a penny from it anyway...which means we will be dependent on SKY money and Hughes to stay afloat there after. This year's SKY money is considerably more than it will be in 2016 should we not gain promotion....so we will essentially be 100% beholding to David Hughes.
Brave new world....brave new world.

Is that true gutters? Presuming that you know that matchday monies will continue to go to Barnet FC, surely our relationship with Kleanthous will be influenced by the income he derives from our presence?

For this season the rent for use of the Hive is ticket revenue. GF told us this wouldn't be the case as TK wouldn't honor the second year of the deal and Broncos are taking ticketing in house. We now know this to be untrue and this is the second year of a two year deal.



If Broncos charged you a season ticket and spent the money on renting the Hive you would pay it but because Broncos came to the Hive with no admin staff to run ticketing and so the Hive struck a deal to run it for them you refuse to pay it. Instead you pay more for your ticket every time you go.
Under 14s have been £1 per month and £1 per game for a while so I don't accept they are dearer unless you decide to pay on the door or want a reserved seat.
Price per game is a tricky one to calculated for next year as we don't know how many home games there will be. If it's the same as last year Bronco tickets will be slightly dearer, one more game it's about the same and so on.

I think the only ones who have a serious gripe are those aged 60-64 as they are not treated as concession when I believe they previously were.

melf, daftdad has the other issue of getting from one side of London to the other as well, knowing a couple of folk that come from over that neck of the woods, its not that cheap!!!!
But hey had we gone to that side of London then all of us this side would have been forking out so swings and errr swings ooops roundabouts

EDIT: Your'e right Michael.....we can't influence anything and should be grateful we have a team. Well done David

WRONG!
Hughes has agreed with AK to cover the "marketing budget" that the RFL gave him to takes us in last year. This is OVER AND ABOVE the agreement regarding income from the gate etc.....this was renegotiated, which is what I said in the original "homeless" thread. The deal is still a turd for us, but it's a different turd to 2013's. AK/Hughes informed the RFL back in July that the "deal" done in 2013 was being renegotiated....it has been. I wasn't right, but you hang your hat on my freddie star ate my hamster headline like some form of comfort blanket. Why is that?

everything else points to you being AK trying to justify the arrangement which, if we don't go up in 2015 will see the clubs sole income being a couple of hundred grand of sky cash and whatever hughes wants to stump up.

Our centrally funded income last year (2014) was a total of 1.87 million......not including the marketing budget AK got from solly. If we get to but lose the million quid game it will be 200k.......that's a hefty drop in income, by any margin.

Brave new dawn.......

I didn't mention the marketing budget as I have no idea what has been agreed and for how much, I suspect neither do you or you would be ramming the figures down peoples throats. Especially as you are so willing to share every other figure you have in your possession.
The latest evidence points to Broncos doing their own marketing but I'm sure you will be willing to show evidence to the contrary if you have any.

So to repeat:
For this season the rent for use of the Hive is ticket revenue.
If it makes you happier to say there is a marketing budget (£????) and someone is spending it on marketing then fine I'll go along with that.

The issue here is youth were under 18 not under 14. Still make it expensive and people have the choice. Super league prices for Championship games. My pound will only go so far.

Lets do a comparison to a Championship team and see if you are right?
Leigh Centurions cheapest season ticket
North Stand - Adult £196
North Stand - Concession £140
North Stand - Under 16s £30.

London Broncos West stand Family
Adult £26*7 + 10 = £192
Concession £12*7 + 7.50 = £91.50
Under 14s £6 * 7 + 5 = £42

Leigh Dearest
West Stand- Adult £210
West Stand - Concession £160
West Stand - Under 16s £30.

Broncos west stand premium
Adult £29*7 + 10 = £213
Concession £15*7 + 7.50 = £112.50.
Under 14s £7.50 * 7 + 5 = £57.50

And Leigh have already announced that if they have more than 14 home games there will be an additional charge to season ticket holders. Of course there wll always be the contentious issue of the joining fee but members from last year wont be paying that this year.

The 2014 deal has been renegotiated for 2015. You can dress it any way you like, but the club informed the RFL back in July and were told that Blake Solly wouldn't be helping out this time

. The deal this year is AK is assured of 500k at [uthe gate[/u.....any shortfall being made up by Hughes. I wasn't going to bother posting it because apparently such facts and figures are killing this board, but you did demand that I do it. The 500k is ALL SEASON and includes the 11 we know about and any 888 games we host.
As you rightly point out, we have a marketing and media person this year....that's different from 2014....also proving my point about renegotiation. Thanks.

Marketing wasn't part of the original two year deal and has been separately negotiated independent of Broncos staying at the Hive over last season and this so your admiration that Broncos are doing the marketing is welcome and shows how false your claim of a marketing sweetener is. It was always the case that marketing would become Broncos responsibility once they got their act together.

Keep it coming GF so we can see how long your new web takes to unravel now you have moved the goalposts. A guaranteed income from Hughes to replace your previous claim of a marketing budget is a new one on me and something I will enjoy investigating. If true that is fantastic news for the development of the Hive and TK should be giving everyone free entry in the knowledge he gets the money anyway and so cut costs plus maximize off field revenue in the process.

Hey....investigate all you like. All we ever get is "I've spoken to AK and he says......"



I'll repeat it again for you, because you seem to have trouble actually asking the right question. Ask AK was there a renegotiation of the 2015 terms of rental/tenancy with the Broncos earlier this year.

As for the assurance from Hughes. If it is true (and I have no reason to doubt my source) then I suspect we will see plenty of tenner and fiver ticket offers. If we get 3 home games out of the 888 then we need to take 36k a game........and AK will have the added bonus of extra beer and food sales. It's a win win for everyone so long the Broncos play their part.

Oh...ask AK how the long term rental discussions are going. Seems to have gone a bit quiet on the up-front-rent scheme that was mentioned back in July.

If I bump into him in the bar I will be sure to ask but he's not around much at the moment. I know why this is the case and I'm sure the reason will become public knowledge soon enough.

If what you claim is true then I see no point in the Hive charging even £1 as it would be money lost from Hughes and the bar. Even charging £5/£10 would represent a reduction in profit plus making the current membership unsustainable. If they offer free entry then I'll believe your 'source'.

there is the point that no mention of 2015 ticketing has been mentioned by the club yet....

So what?
Are we going to be able to watch rugby league in London in 2015? Yes!
What is your answer gutters?