Amounts, Dates ???......do you have them, can you prove your statement...???? No of course you can't, you are just another northerner who's getting bored towards the end of the season and you are plucking statements out of nowhere with no proof or foundation behind them. Perhaps you should do something a little bit more constructive with your time instead of trolling us.

Psst............the latest rumour is .........................

No........I decided to PM my response less the ego police jumped all over it. Tell you what though, I started a genuine poll with the intention of getting an idea of how the fans HERE would react if the step down had to be made, but you seem more pre-occupied with my ego than you do with the current malaise at TW2 Towers...........very odd reaction from you PP.

ODD You say. obviously You have not seen Paddock lately in His match day garb

On your last name/venue change and the lack of funds, do you think it was the truth fairy that bent the superleague rules to keep you in there, thr rule was (and still is for heartland clubs) that a club must be financially able to support itself to remain in the league, you couldnt till the RFL bent the rules and divvied up some cash...................... dont let the truth upset you so much

Your club is playing the failing game for another leg up and its a joke that they are allowed to do so

We are probably the most financially sound club in Super League. Come licence application time we will retain our SL licence, and yes unfortunately Wakefield or Cas may suffer as a result of that.....because expansion will continue. The joke actually is morons like you who live in that bubble called the M62/Heartlands corridor who can see no further than their own noses. Go get a life and annoy someone else....

ooooh did the facts that you asked for offend you, truth is with your massive following you are still a drain on every other club in Superleague

Time to be gone, again

Pot, kettle, black

You'll probably have to explain that to him.....he seems to have trouble putting two words together let alone three

er...there were no rules to be bent. The rules on what would happen to a club if they went under came about after the 2005 London Broncos implosion. So, there was no bending of rules.........RFL or Superleague rules.


.....see above. Wrong on pretty much every level TBH. The rules came into being AFTER London were voted back in by the SL Chairmen.

...see above and above that........

If I had a quid for every one of you fc90cking northern trolls who spouts this shi7 with no proof, no links to published accounts or any other form of evidence I'd probably have a grand in the bank. As it is, you are worse than a northern troll because you are just on a wind up. I owned you on the cas board sunshine and I have just buried your "argument" here....jog on and play with your mates under whatever bridge it is you live under

...the day you print the truth I'll be stunned, let alone upset

..no, the club play Rugby League.....

repeating it doesn't make it fact.......but carry on if it makes you feel better...it only makes you look more idiotic than you are (IF THAT'S POSSIBLE)


...allowed to do what? The Chairman has stated he is rethinking his investment levels in the club. Surely he is allowed to do that? If you are referring to the article where our soon to be ex-coach says that decisions have to be made at the top level.......I suggest you re-read his post match comments this season....ANYTHING he says should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Now my little northern troll.....unless you can reply with factual (this means links to real stories, or published articles) can I suggest you stay away. As trolls go, you really aren't up to much

Another failed medical experiment talking out of his ar$e,

This from a child who calls us "Quims".....do you laugh at Seaside Postcards as well.

As it goes pal....if anyone is being a c()nt...it's you. Now jog off back to your bridge and play with your lego bricks....you may even win the competition to design your new stadium.

Wrong. That's opinion, not fact. Fact is when two events are causally related not coincident.

I repeat, marketing is no magic bullet. For it to succeed you need a product to market and a population pre-disposed to the message. DH needs help with the former. Now. Any distraction from that point does the club a disservice.

You make a good point about Sky a la Melbourne Storm. Nice idea.

Yes, it's true the RFL bunged us 2 million quid, cos they had that just lying around on the sideboard, they were going to spend it on pop and crisps but we needed it more. Other things I can confirm are also true for you: Elvis isn't dead, but Paul McCartney is, Lord Lucan hoaxed the moon landings, and the earth is flat because Shergar fell off the side. So now you know.

The simple matter of FACT is that Quins RL find themselves in a situation where the minority shareholder is having to "invest" 1.5 million a year to prop up the club. This is because the majority shareholder now owns Wigan and is not permitted to help.
1.5 million, using the majority shareholders calculations of appx 10 quid in income per ticket sold and the fact that the last set of accounts pointed to another 10 quid per head per game in revenue means that 75,000 extra fans a year would have negated the need for the minority shareholder to put pen to cheque book.
Fact is....and it is a fact, Harlequins Rugby League have nobody but themselves to blame for their current situation. They have never attempted any worthwhile marketing activity...they stumble from game to trying to attract fans through offers at the last minute to ST holders.....IF the club had any form of marketing plan then it would be able to identify where the 800 missing fans from 2006 have gone and who they are. I repeat....5,000 oyster card holders and a viral campaign seen by less than 5,000 people does not constitute a marketing campaign. Neither does getting a crowd less than the average for a visit of St Helens and than claiming that the Double Header was a success in the RL Press......Marketing is the key. Regardless of how crap the team are at present....we haven't even had people turn up to have a look.........

never said it was, but at least it needs to be part of your armoury....

product is there.

According to the RFL and their extensive research, there are 1,000,000 people in the London area with an interest in League.......that's a fair few pre-disposed targets.

Not saying he doesn't, but this PROBLEM could have been a lot less taxing if the club had a PLAN rather than the adhoc nature of anything and everything they do....

B0ll0x........the entire club, from top to bottom needs an overhaul. Who the f()ck is going to ride to the rescue of a company shipping 30k a week with no business plan, no marketing plan and nothing going for it apart from a few kids coming through and buckets of un-tapped potential? That's 6 grand a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks of the year. Where the hell is that going? If I had the money and as much as I am a supporter of the club...I think my financial advisor (and my wife) would have me comitted if I tried to invest in the club.

.......let's hope Rupert reads these boards

I think relegation would be good for us.
It would sift out all the deadwood fans and leave the club with fewer but far hungrier supporters who would put their all into the club.
It would give us a bit more time to bring through our youngsters and if we could return to SL quickly we would be in a strong position to push on from there ( just look at what Quins yawnion achieved)

....3 years ago I would have laughed at you.....but sadly I now tend to agree with you.
. The Club HAD hungrier supporters and lost them (or at least broke their spirit and willingness to help) and we can't afford to lose any fans, whatever division we are in.

Agree.....but a "quick return" isn't bolted on. There is a risk of the game moving ahead of us and QuinsRL or whatever we would be called never getting back to the top table

I rest my case.

So you say the product isn't there? Of course it is, 13 home games a year, with entertainment laid on post game and loads of other things...that's the product and it's a great game day experience.

If, on the other hand you are referring to a "winning" team.....I suggest you look at the figures for the last 11 years with regard to London team performance and the crowds they achieved that year.

2003 play offs...3,545 average. 2010 possible last place but bottom 3 finish...3,494.

Yes...some fans will flock to see a winning team (Hull Kingston Australia have a huge amount of lifelong fans who must have been born 4 years ago

), but Quins RL need to give people the opportunity to make their own minds up.

I repeat...regardless of the results on the pitch, the club should be targeting at least 400 NEW (15% increase)
fans added to the average each season. If 15% of people who attend their first game return for more, then the club really need to be looking at 400 NEW fans per game. If 15% return, that's 60 .....and if that patern continued, you have added 5,460 to your seasons total.

In fact, I would go as far as to say that the club should have a target of 1,000 brand new LONDON BASED spectators through the gates for EVERY game in 2010 (if the club are still in SL). But, that's just my opinion and I am sure that the marketing department and senior management have more important things to consider (like getting their CV's up to date, just in case)

Surely as we are often told that the vast majority of SL fans are fans of the sport before their individual club , then Quins would retain the bulk of their support if they were to be relegated

as for the argument about marketing , it really is a no brainer , people buy all sorts of rubbish as long as it is well marketed , were there are some excellent products that have failed miserably due to poor or no marketing

Look at the crowds for teams like Widnes, Leigh, Hull Kingston Australians, Halifax, Salford etc in the Championship and then in Sooperleague. Regardless of being a fan of the game or not, it is a sad fact that fans stop going to games when their "club" aren't in the top division.
I have no doubt that Quins would be near the 1700 mark...but nowhere near the 2,500 required to bid to get into SL.



You know it, I know it, everyone apart from Quins RL seem to know it









I have quoted this before, but this is the transcript of 2 Australian ladies conversation, from cubicle to cubicle in the ladies loo after the Manly Sea Eagles game v Quins in 2009. (overheard by MRS GUTTERFAX before you ask

)
Sheila #1 "Jesus...that was fun"
Sheila #2 "Yeah...great game, live band, cold beer.....why wouldn't you come here for £12 every week?"
Sheila #1 "Dunno. We only saw the ad in TNT this week"
Sheila #2 "I didn't know they played league in London"

Now.....the RFL paid to promote this game and even though it was only a little profit, they made a profit. The showed what could be done with a little bit of negotiation, a load of hard work and an amount of forward planning......Quins RL Learnt nothing from this and the entire 2009 season went pretty much as usual, with no marketing activity and therefore a 6% drop in crowds against 2008 (a season by the way where they manged a 6% increase)
There is something fundamentally wrong with an organisation that looses £30K a week but does nothing to try to attract new revenue....and that is why the club are up the creek with only DH paddling.

And, before the club apologists surface to talk about the wonderful new shirt sponsors (a 2 bit SMS company and a local Hotel) et al....when speaking to a potential advertiser/sponsor, total attendance figures of 45,000 for a season with maybe 3 games on SKYTV isn't going to extract the revenue required to bail out the club......but 75,000 more fans a season spending 20 quid a game on tickets, beer, food and replica gear will. They may fluctuate in numbers from game to game, but I'd rather lose a few fans from a 9k average than 1 sponsor!

I thought travelling half way around the world would ease the passion I have for this subject (and most on here probably wished it had

) but it really is a disaster, wrapped up in a fiasco and topped with a good dollop of incompetence



IMO of course.

It is an even sadder fact that after the next licence application even less will be going , the RFL will not guarantee a club going up again , then it really will sink in at the main clubs , Leigh , Fax , Fev that the game is up for them

The only way will be a financial disaster for somebody else , so in that respect it would seem Quins are the bst bet for any of those 3 clubs to ever move up again

Not something I am personally happy with , they should be openly funded from RFL/SKY imo , ' openly ' being the key word here

But the RFL dont operate like that

For me, this has been "the product" at the Stoop this season (E&OE):
=#BF0000P12, W4, L8, F279, A348.

I think that the best way to market =#BF0000that is to keep very quiet about it, and instead to put the resources into product improvement for next season.

I'm not at all sure that the world in general agrees with you about the "great game day experience". Certainly a lot of people leave at the end of the game despite all the "entertainment" available.

But that is the point , the product is live sport , and as such cannot be completely controlled , nor should we want it to be , if that is what you want , go watching re runs of old films , you will then know exactly what you are going to see week in week out

It is a simple fact that for every winner there is a loser , when you lose more than you win , the games you win are all the ' sweeter ' , you tend to get a better class of fan at clubs that lose more than they win , clubs that win most of the time tend to be followed by ' t055ers '

Indeed results on the pitch ARE the point. That's exactly what I was saying. And this club isn't getting them. It's supposed to be a flagship for the game in the south of England, not an organisation that's struggling to justify its existence.

I can assure you that I know all about the joys and sorrows of supporting a club at the bottom of the pile. I did it for years. But that was a club with permanently low expectations, which description should not fit with the capital's only SL club. If it does, I see no point in its being here.

And I don't watch films, old or new, precisely because they are contrivances and don't have the unpredictability of live events.

Hilarious

Sifting out 'deadwood' fans... You are not worthy fickle fan who contributes to the clubs finances through the odd gate receipt or merchandise, food & bev

No fan should ever be considered a 'dead wood' fan