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| Maybe its only me but i feel sorry for Spuggy - a player who had loads of talent but has been hammered by 2 sets of fans over the last 3 years which have turned him into half the player he was/could have been.
It was sad to hear both sets of fans booing him last night - not a lot of our fans but a handful.
Credit to him though for giving us a wave after the last try - he didnt have to do that and probably lost a few mre friends in Hull for doing it.
People seem to forget what a good player he was for us before Mr Sharp decided to experiment with him - chin up Chris you'll always be a Giant in my eyes.
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| felt sorry for him too lastnight, he even gave us a wave when we asked him too after the last try!!
no doubting he gave his best every week for the giants but it all went sour the last two seasons with us for him
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| May have been good for you but aweful for us and playing with no pride. We need rid.
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| im afraid jon sharp ruined chris thorman, thats my opinion anyway. when reilly was retiring why not bring in a specialist fullback to replace him? no instead sharp thinks thorman is suddenly a replacment for fullback?
i also feel he did a good job of ruining rod jensen.
felt sorry for thorman myself last night, even more so when some of our lads went to try and make him feel better, then even more so again when he gave us the wave.
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| It was disappointing - you knew what was going to happen though when that last bomb went up. I found myself willing him to catch it!
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| i really felt for him after leroy's try
he was on his haunches head in his hands,being consoled by both sets of players, with a few hundred giants fans taunting him which was a bit cruel.
i hope he turns it round because despite what some people think of him, he was a good servant for us and he doesn't deserve some of the treatment he receives.
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| I was totally ambarrassed by the chanting directed at CT. From what I heard, he never wanted to leave us but had to go to make way for our new, Aussie superstar that never was.
Why he should want to follow Sharp to Hull when it was JS who ruined his career I'll never know.
He showed what he was capable of in the latter part of last season when he resumed his stand off role.
He was a good servant to our club. And an excellent ambassador off the field.
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"I was totally ambarrassed by the chanting directed at CT. From what I heard, he never wanted to leave us but had to go to make way for our new, Aussie superstar that never was.
Why he should want to follow Sharp to Hull when it was JS who ruined his career I'll never know.
He showed what he was capable of in the latter part of last season when he resumed his stand off role.
He was a good servant to our club. And an excellent ambassador off the field.'"
well no need to be embarrassed mate, i joined in with both sets of chants. end of the day its all banter, i joined in with youl always be a giant, give us a wave and even cheered when he waved. but i joined in with the others because i saw it as banter.
thorman was a fantastic player, but like i said before jon sharp has ruined him and its criminal!! i used to respect sharp but he has ruined a couple of good players. i hope thorman moves on and gets back to how he was.
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| one of the best coaches we`ve had "ruining" OUR players ???
Nay lad - tha must be mistaken !!
(and then if thats not enough for Chris !................. )
W`ll never fully know the "ins and outs" (well SOME will!) but to go and get more of the same at Hull FC amazes me!
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| I feel for Chris. He is a quality player and I hope he finds a club that can get the best out of him.
He was a wonderful captain for us and he was a major part in us making the play offs and challenge cup final.
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| Quote ="Matt01"I feel for Chris. He is a quality player and I hope he finds a club that can get the best out of him.
He was a wonderful captain for us and he was a major part in us making the play offs and challenge cup final.'"
Exactly Matt - as i was trying to point out to the knowledgeless fools who were giving him some last night you dont get to captain a super league club in a cup final, in a play-off series and get called up by your country if your a poor player.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Exactly Matt - as i was trying to point out to the knowledgeless fools who were giving him some last night you dont get to captain a super league club in a cup final, in a play-off series and get called up by your country if your a poor player.'" Thankfully, plenty agree with us. He rightly should be a Fartown great as he was a major part in our long awaited return to greatness.
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| he was to put it plainly, a major part in our most succesful period since the 50's and 60's and for that alone he should be shown a lot more respect,than some of these 'recent' supporters show him
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| Quote ="maltesefalcon"well no need to be embarrassed mate, i joined in with both sets of chants. end of the day its all banter, i joined in with youl always be a giant, give us a wave and even cheered when he waved. but i joined in with the others because i saw it as banter.
thorman was a fantastic player, but like i said before jon sharp has ruined him and its criminal!! i used to respect sharp but he has ruined a couple of good players. i hope thorman moves on and gets back to how he was.'"
Most Hull supporters would agree with that. I will say,although not a fan of his I do hope he resurrects his career ,wherever he goes.And no,he doesn`t deserve the treatment he is getting.
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| i will admit i was joining in with the chants last night but its banter. il always respect chris and when leroy scored because he dropped it i felt well sorry for him but thats how rugby is so head up chris and move on
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| Quote ="meast"he was to put it plainly, a major part in our most succesful period since the 50's and 60's and for that alone he should be shown a lot more respect,than some of these 'recent' supporters show him'" I only have my dad and grandad to tell me about that, but he has been apart of the most successful period I have seen, although I am hopeful this season will trump it. Nevertheless Thorman has been a great servant for the club.
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| I thought that 'banter' was between 2 sets of people. Friday night was all one way.
I wonder if Thorman thought it was 'banter' or merely kicking someone in the head when he's down?
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"I thought that 'banter' was between 2 sets of people. Friday night was all one way.
I wonder if Thorman thought it was 'banter' or merely kicking someone in the head when he's down?'"
Think he is past caring t.b.h.
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| Quote Think he is past caring t.b.h.
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That just shows how little you actually know about this guy. Long memories, sharp knives!!
His strength of character will show through every time, his spirit is not broken....he cares deeply about his performance and his team although no thanks to his head coach who is totally out of his depth and a Dead man walking, Agar skill is to nail lids on coffins !
Agar doesnt have the back bone to do what he should and that is to cut out the bad apples but ULL boys are the protected species, Geordies do not apparently warrant that same player respect or protection.
Thorman is an absolute professional, many folk have witnessed this both on and off the park. A proud man who is doing it tough at present,with little help from Management or players! Not that he expects help I would imagine, just getting on with the cards dealt to him.
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| Quote ="Murphy"That just shows how little you actually know about this guy. Long memories, sharp knives!!
His strength of character will show through every time, his spirit is not broken....he cares deeply about his performance and his team although no thanks to his head coach who is totally out of his depth and a Dead man walking, Agar skill is to nail lids on coffins !
Agar doesnt have the back bone to do what he should and that is to cut out the bad apples but ULL boys are the protected species, Geordies do not apparently warrant that same player respect or protection.
Thorman is an absolute professional, many folk have witnessed this both on and off the park. A proud man who is doing it tough at present,with little help from Management or players! Not that he expects help I would imagine, just getting on with the cards dealt to him.'"
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| Quote ="Murphy"That just shows how little you actually know about this guy. Long memories, sharp knives!!
His strength of character will show through every time, his spirit is not broken....he cares deeply about his performance and his team although no thanks to his head coach who is totally out of his depth and a Dead man walking, Agar skill is to nail lids on coffins !
Agar doesnt have the back bone to do what he should and that is to cut out the bad apples but ULL boys are the protected species, Geordies do not apparently warrant that same player respect or protection.
Thorman is an absolute professional, many folk have witnessed this both on and off the park. A proud man who is doing it tough at present,with little help from Management or players! Not that he expects help I would imagine, just getting on with the cards dealt to him.'"
spot on !
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| I feel sorry for Thorman. He seems like a real genuine guy but he just hasn't delivered this season. At times he's been so bad it seems like he's cursed. His first game for us, a friendly at Leeds was by far and away his best. He kicked them to death; absolutely murdered them, but he's done very little since. He is finished at Hull but I hope he gets a berth somewhere else and gets his career going again.
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| He wouldnt want anyones sympathy what he would want is understanding of the current situation. Its a culmination of events etc, Half backs playing behind a pack who doesnt tough it out for a result, having 15,000 watching your every move whilst at work shouting continual abuse instead of encouragement, whilst your coach is being asked for direction but instead is taking in water and sinking as quick as the Titanic.
Having a ready made "Scapegoat" is a much easier option for Agar than having the courage to challenge those who need a good shake up for not doing as asked or too many ad hoc game plans or none at all if truth be known ! Stitched up good and proper.
Certain players being allowed to be ULL limited editions and the arrogance to be in a safe comfort zone with a contract in hand, rather than an "outsider" working towards a new one. End of story
Cometh the hour cometh the man!
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| I feel sorry for him because he doesn't seem to accept that he's just not up to the task. As a professional sportsperson you have to be able to handle pressure and he admitted himself after the 2006 challenge cup final that nerves got the better of him
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He may be a trier and a decent bloke but he seems incapable of performing under pressure which happens to be the nature of his job.
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"I thought that 'banter' was between 2 sets of people. Friday night was all one way.
I wonder if Thorman thought it was 'banter' or merely kicking someone in the head when he's down?'"
If it was one way why did he wave when we sang "Thorman, Thorman. Give us a wave"?
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