People saying it 'clearly went over'. I have yet to see this clear evidence. I still can't decide whether I think it went over or not.

Two different angles contradict each other, so going to the VR would be pointless. Bentham was in a good position and it should be refs call.

waste of breath been saying for years RL bent and stick by it. Seen simular tackles to Ferres one each week but never seen a red before? Wont hold my breath for red card next time see one either unless its a Giants player getting red. Likes to send ours off old Phillip, games corrupt and has been for years, so called big 4 happy and try keep it brushed under the carpet while the game loses fans from all the other clubs in droves. Wont be wasting my brass next season either. Good Night, God Bless

Ferres cost the Giants the game.

They'll miss him and Brough for the next few weeks.

Plenty of cover for ferres, I'm not concerned there. What gets me is the saints fans who claim that because brough missed three he deserved to not be given the fourth


If the boot was on the other foot and you had just been denied in those circumstances would the saints players coach and fans have responded differently? No loving chance.

This.

Broughs execution was very poor for a player of his quality.

His first attempts were remarkably shallow and when he finally twigged he needed to be deeper he got a lot closer.

Tough game and a nailbiter to the end.

BENTHAM was in the right position for the drop goal call! sadly fellas he got it right! Nothing to do with it being you or any other team! Bloke on the pitch called it as he saw it.

To be fair he's not found his form at all this season and his kicking game has gone south at a rapid rate. Turning his and the teams form is critical but in truth we need to really sort out the amount of penalties we are giving away as that is crippling us and if we carry on doing that we will get nowhere this season. I also feel him constantly mouthing off in the referees faces is not helping us get the 50/50 calls and he needs to concentrate on leading the team constructively than acting like the spoilt brat that is coming to the fore far too often.

Just my twopenneth as a neutral and Cas fan.

Ferres deserved to be sent off, no problem with that call.

Can't believe Bentham did not give Brough's drop goal or at least go to the video ref to check.

Bentham is an absolute disgrace and needs to be dropped with immediate effect from all professional rugby matches. He is the most arrogant referee in the game and every match needs to made into the Phil Bentham show, we always end up talking about him rather than the game, and he has robbed you of progressing into the next round.

Maybe referees should be up before the RFL after a display like that. He certainly seems to have it in for Huddersfield!

I still think the same after watching the replay of the game.

But that doesn't explain why he didn't go to the screen like other decisions during the game. I mean he gave a drop out to Hudds in the first half then decided to go to the screen to check it, that was hardly a match deciding moment was it. But when it was a match deciding moment he decided to just give it as he saw it. That's everybody's beef.

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing ?



Giants were still robbed.

It happens to every team though. You can't say any team in particular is favoured, all the refs are equally as bad!

No conspiracy theory about the big four clubs, yadda yadda yadda. Remember Saints V Hull KR in last years challenge cup? Francis Meli got sent off in the first half of that match & rightly so. Ferres indiscretion was the start of the downfall only compounded by the lack of composure in the last 5 minutes by some feeble organising when it came to the drop goal attempts. IMO not enough credit is being given to Saints goal line defence & charging down of the kicker when most players were fatigued and out on their feet.

Funny how nobody on here has spotted any decisions that went huddersfield's way. Like the knock on by Masoe in front of our posts when the tackler very clearly still had hold of his ball carrying arm while he's trying to put it on the ground. Should have been penalty Saints but given as knock on to Hudds. Or the ball steal on Roby on front of your posts where the ball comes out forward and into the hands of a Hudds player stood in an offside position. Given as play on but should have been penalty to Saints.

As regards the drop goal, I'm not sure whether it went over or not. The camera angles are very deceiving due to the foreshortening of long shots which does distort the picture. Not sure the video ref could have seen it any better as he'd just have the same camera angles. Maybe Bentham was right and he isn't actually bent and out to get you.

But the video ref decision would have been inconclusive. One shows wide, one shows in. The video ref would have been in limbo, and unable to make the call it'd have been referred to the on field ref for his decision which would have been no DG.

Going to the screen wouldn't have made any difference to the DG being given.

Do you mean the one by a Hudds player close to his try line after he'd picked up an attacking kick and didn't want to get dumped over the line? Or didn't you see that one?

No the one by hohaio when he just dived to the floor at the end, didn't you see that?

But then we would be talking about a decision which was at least looked at to try and make the correct decision instead of just dismissing the effort as bentham did. If the decision is looked at by the video ref and cannot be decided upon then fair enough it can be accepted but to just dismiss it is wrong when the video ref is there and has been used for other decisions during the game which were in some ways meaningless compared to this one.

Yes, but I also saw the other one that Huddersfield fans apparently couldn't see. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't just pick and choose which wrong decisions you want to complain about. If you want to complain about the ones that went for Saints then you need to be unhappy about the ones that went for Hudds too. Just because an incorrect decision is made in the last 2 minutes of a game which is close at the end doesn't mean it's more important than one earlier in the game. If the earlier decisions had been correct then the score could have been completely different in the 78th minute. So they're all as important as each other and you can't just disagree with the ones that don't suit you.

He didn't just dismiss it. He made his call. Why would he refer it if he felt he was sure? Do we want a situation where every single incident is referred even if the ref is sure, ''just in case''?

Bottom line is, no one knows. Not you, me or ultimatly the video ref if he'd been called upon. The guy with the best view, was bentham, and he called no DG. That's it.

Still, even after this the ball was deep in saints half and hudds somehow allowed them right up the field into prime DG territory within only a few tackles.

really? im not so sure, saints/bentham had the ascendency by then, summed up by jerry conceding a penalty for being shoved.
the game was evenly balanced up to that point, after that it was all one way traffic regards officiating.
no one deserved to lose that game today, ferres red card was right decisions but in no way was that the gamechanger, benthams decision to screw us was!

True and no one seemed ready to pressure the kick when everyone in the ground knew who the ball was heading to.

You can't just pick the camera angle which suits your opinion either. Huddersfield fans come away from this game feeling robbed. Poor old badly done to huddersfield. The establishment doesn't like them. Blah blah blah.

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Ferres' stupidity put them a man down, brough's incompetence ruined numerous DG opportunities, the teams incompetence allowed saints into a DG position at the end of the game. The 50/50's went both ways throughout the game as you have pointed out.

Hudds lost because of hudds.

What actually was the Walsh and jerry penalty for? Jerry tackles him. Walsh loses the ball, pushes jerry. Penalty saints!?