I'm not sure what your expectations are but there have been 4 winners of the grand final so that puts us in with the majority of the comp who must be serving up dross. We punched above our weight in the brown era and success goes in cycles, we are currently in a relegation fight, among 4 other teams of which, 3 or below us because we never give up, yeah I'd rather not see us in these situations but it's ability and not lack of effort and we could easily give up a la hullfc or catalan, but we don't which is testament to the character of the team.

agreed!

i dont want to see us relegated.

Well they are obviously a lot higher than yours, Wasn't 1962 the last time we won a main Trophy,( I was there ) Lets hope the Cycle speeds up a bit. Last time we got relegated ( was it the last time ) we went all season unbeaten , I think we would win that league with ease because i don't think Mr Davy would do any different than that time .

Anyway i'm obviously in a minority of one, but something needs to change and has done for a lot of years now, My money is on nothing changing at all , same old close season of promises and hope followed by the usual great start and the fight to get clear of the bottom. and to expect something better than that year after year is unrealistic ? .

You've been watching us 30 years yet you were at the 1962 final??? i smell bullpoo

Seems Im looking at it a different way to others on here
Yes Our pack is much lighter than most
Yes Woolford is HAVING to play the youngsters who are smaller and lighter
maybe because of injuries or perhaps he thinks they are more up for the challenge We know not exactly
But more influential on the result because of the above to me is this:-

They made 20/30 metres at many play the balls
Why -because big strong running forwards got up steam because our defensive line was the correct distance back

We made little more than 5/10 metres at our plays
Why -- because by the time our lighter younger players got the ball the opposing defence were virtually ON THEM as theyd only been 6/7 metres back at the time the tackled man played the ball Easy peasy

Not ref baiting but thats fact Dont think they were penalised for being in front of the ref all the game
In my view thats more a factor
Even when our biggest men drove in hard the tacklers were virtually in the receivers boots and he hadnt got a prayer

Later in the game after it had gone away from us because of the above they were knackered Someone on here said we never looked like winning
I believe 5 more mins and we would have and despite the above nearly took it (or at least to golden point situation )

But lets face it watching regularly and as a neutral the standard of refereeing and the number of abnomalies in their decisions is totally frustrating and in my view on many occasions really influential on the match result as in this case .

Sorry crackers- but I think you are looking at that rather one eyed. We were not getting on side all game - i got so sick of hearing gerrem onside from our fans I was ironically shouting it when we were standing exactly the same as they were.

This is how I see it:
They made 20/30 metres at many play the balls
Why -because big strong running forwards got up steam because our defensive line stood and waited for them to come to us and had no momentum whilst they had momentum behind them.

We made little more than 5/10 metres at our plays
Why -- because by the time our lighter younger players got the ball the opposing defence were virtually ON THEM because Catalan moved forward with good LINESPEED as soon as we had played the ball Easy peasy

Our poor line speed has been an issue all season. We are the slowest team in the comp- which is possibly linked to why we are penalised more than any other team- make the effort and you are less likely to be penalised and more likely to win a penalty.

100% agree , it does improve when we have momentum like in the games we won and also towards the end of the Catalan game it was improving but we start so slow and when we go behind it seems to get worse

I started to watch Huddersfield when i moved here 30 year ago, i had been watching the game 30+ years before that, just not Huddersfield. For your info i was at Odsell in 62 and at Wembley the week before, on both occasions supporting Wakefield. Maybe you need to stop smelling Bullpoo.

looking back at Catalans tries, the kick through for Tomkins to score should not have been awarded, he was a metre in front of the kicker, and if we had been on TV it would have been chalked off by the video ref, as those types of tries usually go to the video. Meaning we should have won that game if you take 6 points off their score. Which brings up the old question all games ought to have video or none at all. I paused the TV bang on contact with the kickers foot and Tomkins was in front of him about 5 metres to his left. That 2 points would have probably meant safety now.

He really wasn't you know. He's at worst level if not behind the ball. Even so we would still have lost because Catlan were by far the better team.

And bearing in mind London had a try disallowed that almost certainly was a try and had there been VR at that game we would have lost. I really don't think we have any room to be playing the what if game.