Why? From the view he had he thought it hadn't gone over, he wasn't wrong.

Consistency. Bentham and other refs use the VR all the time when there's even the merest hint of doubt. Giants players were sure it had gone over. That creates doubt. You see it all the time, players asking the ref to go to the VR when the ref is about to award a try and instead refers it. He showed that with several other referrals in the game.

what goes around comes around,i think they call it karma.

Why would the Hudds players thinking it's gone over put doubt in his mind? Maybe the reason he didn't refer it was because he was in no doubt?
I watched it live, thought it had gone over from the view behind the sticks, saw the front on shot (closest to Benthams view) and it clearly never went over.

I hope the linesman gets called up for allowing your second try to stand. Pass was a bit forward, don't you think?

Because the view from in front of the sticks has a foreshortening effect. Therefore you can only go off the one closest to the action and where the ball is coming toward the camera; i.e. he one behind the sticks which clearly shows it as good. Take your Saints specs off. Huddersfield were robbed. Even the likes of Walsh, Murphy and Brown could see that!

If the forward pass had been given for your second try you wouldn't have even been in that position. Mile forward that was.

Still, whatever eases the blow, eh.

Brown hasn't said anything of the sort. He said he didn't see it. Walsh said he thought it went over but then so do many of the fans. Another section of the fans thought it didn't go over and yet another section of the fans (me included) couldn't tell one way or the other either while at the match or on subsequent TV replays.

Can you explain why you keep insisting Bentham had the best view? There were 26 players on that very same field and they all seemed to think it was over! In fact Walsh and Brough both said so in the aftermatch interview but you could also tell from the reaction of the players. Of the 27 people on that pitch, it seems to me, only one thought it missed. How come you consider his to be the definitive view? It wouldn't be because it fits your agenda would it?

Brough had turned away before the ball had finished its journey so I honestly don't know how he could have known whether it went over or not.

And Anderson said he didn't see it either but that didn't stop him from ripping the TV off the wall in the press room!

Dear me! You're telling me that you honestly couldn't see what he was driving at with the 'Lady Luck certainly smiled on us ' comment. OK, I believe you...

With all due respect mate, you're trying to justify it in your own mind here. The kicker almost always turns away when they know it's over. You're ignoring Walsh having said it was over. Look at the reaction of the players. Listen to Alex Murphy (not exactly renowned for his impartiality when it comes to all matters Saints). Listen to the pundits view at the match. In fact listen to almost anyone's view outside of Saints fans on the subject. If the best defense you can come up with is that Brown didn't actually admit to it because he didn't see it and one dodgy camera angle then I think it safe to say you're clutching at straws! Saints got lucky. Huddersfield were robbed. The better team lost but Saints live to fight on another day. That's sport, but please....don't try to justify it. It demeans you.

Mate, everything out of walsh's hands was a mile forward!

You need to get along to specsavers along with your idiotic clown of a mate Bentham

And you men were given a try as a result of a forward pass.

You weren't 'robbed' at all. Had that try not been given we would have had a completely different scenario. You were given a try that shouldn't have been given and were denied a contentious drop goal that could easily have been awarded. I wouldn't have argued had it gone over, but that's sport for you. Some you get, some you don't.

3 opportunities you had either way. Walsh only needed 1 and we're through. That's how it goes.

Can tell you're a bit of a comedian, Shelley.

Do you not believe the pass was forward?

I don't feel robbed at all and never said I have, it's the teams lack of composure that has ultimately cost us the game unfortunately

As you said some you get some you don't, we got a try off a forward pass, you get a penalty for nothing under sticks. ref evened it up all nicely, we can both move on

They were also denied a try that should have been given so they even out. If you were to tally every incorrect decision in that game Saints were miles ahead in terms of favourable decisions, I guarantee it.

Which one?

Of course they even themselves out. I'd love to know how a team can be robbed on 1 decision. Both teams had their calls and some went against them. That's sport at the end of the day.

If I remember correctly it was the first VR decision. Smith incorrectly adjudged a knock on; incorrect because the ball went backwards off a Saints player. So they were given one they shouldn't have and denied one they should. That evens out.

If Bentham got the DG decision wrong then they would obviously have been robbed by that decision.

I have no problem with fans thinking it went over or it didn't. Both are just as possible as each other.

My issue are those who say it definitely went over. As if adding that word suddenly makes it fact.

Give me the calculations. The camera behind the sticks is at an angle. Just as ever other camera is. In fact the closer something is the bigger the angle that it needs to turn. If you don't believe me. Ask someone to stand 1m away and see how far they need to move before you have to turn your angle of vision. Then ask them to be 100m away and they will have to go alot further before you move your angle of vision.

The camera behind the posts, dependent upon it's positioning will have a camera man turning it therefore creating an angle.

Plus since when does a ref ever favour the away side.

This has nothing to do with the away side, or even that it was Saints. It's got everything to do with the Giants and bentham.
The ref's can usually be seen around the bar area or nearby after a game but bentham was nowhere to be seen and didn't even come out of his changing room until somebody had brought his car right up to the gate so he could jump in and speed off. He knew he was wrong and wasn't facing any of the music.

So will Huddersfield fans be supporting Leeds in the next round...that's interesting.

And even though benthams son is a Saints fan I still stick with the above comment that it's nothing to do with Saints.

That is a serious conundrum!! Always had a soft spot for Saints and never liked Leeds but it's Yorkshire versus Over T Hill.