If you watch the BBc footage shown after the match of all 4 of Brough's dg attempts it is clear that saints players charging the kick were many yards offside. Walmsley on the last was about 1.5m wide of the ptb. If it wasn't over then its a penalty. But like many Saints offences Bentham wasn't interested.

Given Ganson's interference at Wakey we should not be surprised. Bentham wants to ref finals. Ganson is the real problem, in the last year all refs have got worse

You can have as many angles as you like, if the one from behind the sticks shows it go through, it's a goal. What next, disallow a try because only one angle shows the grounding?

Would have been interesting if it had been the Australian system of 2 referees, the one behind the Giants players would have had the best view as he would have seen it at a natural angle not looking up as Bentham had to. I think the real problem was Brought kicked it far higher than 99% of drop goals possibly because of the 3 attempts that had gone before but yes he should have gone to the screen but if the video ref would have given it is a totally different matter although the break in play would have helped our defence get organised and I doubt Saints would have got in such a good position to take their pot shot.

How on earth would a touch judge know?







Clutching at straws. It didn't go over, the camera angle which is closest to the view Bentham had showed it didn't go over. Brough missed 4 attempts, Walsh hit his first, you lost.

If I was a Hudds fan i'd spend less time berating the ref for a perfectly good decision and more time berating Ferres for an utterly disgusting tackle that could have left a player with a serious injury.

Try opening the other eye and seeing the decisions that went your way and not just the ones that went Saints way because there were plenty.

Are you now blaming Ganson as well? What has he got to do with it? Was he signalling from the stands to Bentham?

Apart from the drop goal mistake he should have penalised the saints player for a voluntary tackle at the end of the game he just dropped down to the floor without a Huddersfieldplayer touching him, something saints are good at I remember it happenning in a grand final when Chris Joynt did the same thing to win the game I think it was against the Bulls in 1999 when they won 8-6

True and not something I noticed until watching the end of the game back on TV. But did he turn down the easy 2 points early in the half, we are if anything a team too content to take the 2 but in this case it was a must and the kicking tee came on but we went for the try, the referee did not help us but we need to be more savy and street wise.

Human being makes error shocker! Even the VR wouldn't have had sufficient evidence to overrule the decision - so what is the issue here? Hudds lost, move on!

1) there are already two threads about ferres 2) it's a shocking tackle and he deserves everything he gets, what's there to discuss? the very nature of 50/50 decisions means there'll be debate about them

what about the saints players being offside when charging down the drop goal attempts... should of been a penalty to us!

Even if it had gone to the VR , Ganson would have tracked the wrong ball

Brough had enough chances to get that winning drop goal and failed.

The TV evidence is inconclusive for the dubious one,IMO.

Anyway, Ferres stupidity was more to blame for the defeat than Bentham. Huddersfield were well in control at that point.

Zero sympathy.

I fully accept the Red Card for Ferres and I'll support any ban he gets as long as there's consistancy with future bans.

I can't accept Bentham not going to the Video Ref. It's complete irrelevent if the VR would have awarded it. He went to the VR for pretty much everything else so not to go for the closest and most important decision of the game is a farce.

What I also can't accept is, even putting aside those 2 decisions, is that Bentham had a huge influence on the game. Jerry penalised for holding down when Bentham wasn't going to give anything until Walsh shoves Jerry in the chest. Wardle gets penalised for holding down when he can't get up as his shirts being pulled. I could go on and on. They both came in a period when Saints were awarded 4 or 5 penalties in a row in about 5 minutes. The game changing 5 minutes.

I am just truly sick to death of talking about referees at the end of games. The level of officiating is ruining the game - I know several people who don't bother with the sport as they can't stand such a high level of games having their outcome decided by poor decision-making. There's no consistancy. Some games don't appear to have offside or holding down in the rule book where as others have the game ruined through too many penalties being given incorrectly for both offences. Sometimes the interpretation changes mid way through the game. The game will never expand while we allow the poor level of officiating to ruin games let alone games that are on national TV - one the few times we actually get to showcase the game.

Rant over.

Why? From the view he had he thought it hadn't gone over, he wasn't wrong.

Consistency. Bentham and other refs use the VR all the time when there's even the merest hint of doubt. Giants players were sure it had gone over. That creates doubt. You see it all the time, players asking the ref to go to the VR when the ref is about to award a try and instead refers it. He showed that with several other referrals in the game.

what goes around comes around,i think they call it karma.

Why would the Hudds players thinking it's gone over put doubt in his mind? Maybe the reason he didn't refer it was because he was in no doubt?
I watched it live, thought it had gone over from the view behind the sticks, saw the front on shot (closest to Benthams view) and it clearly never went over.

I hope the linesman gets called up for allowing your second try to stand. Pass was a bit forward, don't you think?

Because the view from in front of the sticks has a foreshortening effect. Therefore you can only go off the one closest to the action and where the ball is coming toward the camera; i.e. he one behind the sticks which clearly shows it as good. Take your Saints specs off. Huddersfield were robbed. Even the likes of Walsh, Murphy and Brown could see that!

If the forward pass had been given for your second try you wouldn't have even been in that position. Mile forward that was.

Still, whatever eases the blow, eh.

Brown hasn't said anything of the sort. He said he didn't see it. Walsh said he thought it went over but then so do many of the fans. Another section of the fans thought it didn't go over and yet another section of the fans (me included) couldn't tell one way or the other either while at the match or on subsequent TV replays.

Can you explain why you keep insisting Bentham had the best view? There were 26 players on that very same field and they all seemed to think it was over! In fact Walsh and Brough both said so in the aftermatch interview but you could also tell from the reaction of the players. Of the 27 people on that pitch, it seems to me, only one thought it missed. How come you consider his to be the definitive view? It wouldn't be because it fits your agenda would it?

Brough had turned away before the ball had finished its journey so I honestly don't know how he could have known whether it went over or not.

And Anderson said he didn't see it either but that didn't stop him from ripping the TV off the wall in the press room!

Dear me! You're telling me that you honestly couldn't see what he was driving at with the 'Lady Luck certainly smiled on us ' comment. OK, I believe you...

With all due respect mate, you're trying to justify it in your own mind here. The kicker almost always turns away when they know it's over. You're ignoring Walsh having said it was over. Look at the reaction of the players. Listen to Alex Murphy (not exactly renowned for his impartiality when it comes to all matters Saints). Listen to the pundits view at the match. In fact listen to almost anyone's view outside of Saints fans on the subject. If the best defense you can come up with is that Brown didn't actually admit to it because he didn't see it and one dodgy camera angle then I think it safe to say you're clutching at straws! Saints got lucky. Huddersfield were robbed. The better team lost but Saints live to fight on another day. That's sport, but please....don't try to justify it. It demeans you.