That's why there were boos from the home fans when it was announced. Which dicks give this award?

Broughton by a mile. Lawrence as dependable as ever. All the rest nowhere near a MOM award.

I think the top teams have worked us out this year. A real test for PA's coaching skills now. Having said that I don't think the players are playing to the game plan. We haven't a clue how to build any pressure - I'd love to see a boring fives drives and a grubber that forces a goal line drop out. Too many penalties and errors lead to too much defending and a last 10 minutes we saw today.

Why try a short kick off with over 8 mins to go and only 6/7 points down?

Broughton by a mile for me of the Giants players.

Check the timings when I posted this, we were winning the game but you could see Child was trying to influence the result with non existant penalties piggy backing Wire to our line. If you wasnt at the game difficult for you to comment really? Yes the players missed tackles and dropped the ball, fatigue set in with 15-20 to go after defending the 18 tackles on our line after another few of Child penalties, so look at the score and blame the team without seeing the game. Any Giant fan hand on heart think Child had a good game? Someone on Wire site thanking the lord he was their 18th man!! So to sum up no the ref doesnt drop balls or miss tackles but he does have an influence far too many times.

It's hard to believe it from the scoreline, but I think the Giants were a tad unlucky. For most of the first half and a few minutes at the start of the second, they were in the ascendancy, but nothing seemed to go their way. As well as a few occasions when the bounce of the ball favoured the Wolves, some of the refereeing decisions were very harsh. One of the things Warrington are really good at is getting a quick play-the ball, but on two occasions, from where I was sitting it looked as if the player rushed it and lost control of the ball while getting up - result - penalty for a strip in a two-man tackle! On top of that, such a blatant obstruction near the try line would 9 times out of 10 result in a penalty try and a 10-minute sin bin, but all the Giants got was a penalty (personally, I would have gone for a try and not taken the kick, but that's just my opinion).

When nothing is going your way, it's only natural to lose heart a bit, especially when some of the earlier games this season have been similar. Added to that, Anderson's mystifying decision to only use 3 from the bench, even though Cudjoe had been injured, made it almost inevitable that the Giants would go behind - they were then chasing the game and knackered, resulting in leaking points at the end.

Cheer up everyone - things will probably get better.

This

about right it that, although i thought we dealt with westwood fairly well until the last 20 minutes, russell, was a different matter, he caused us problems all day long ( the only wire player who looked dangerous until we gave up!)

the ref had another poor game but apart from the pull back incident, didn't affect the result.as usual, he was frustratingly inconsistent, penalising us ( rightly so) for many offences but choosing to ignore the same offences by them, they also got away with 2/3 knock ons.
but yet again we were in control of a game and stopped doing things, stopped working hard and on the back of 5/6 penalties in a row, wire found a way back and we crumbled, totally crumbled under the slightest bit of pressure from the opposition.
i don't like slating players but kopczak is a waste of a shirt at the moment and would be the first player i would drop, he hasn't made any impact at all this season and looks lazy in defence.
we will probably not get a better chance of beating them, they were there for the taking today and were pretty clueless in the first 50 minutes, but we conceived to lose a game we should have had total control of.

very disappointing,some players need to take a good look at themselves and ask are they giving enough.

exactly what i said dan, as soon as wire started to get a foothold in the game i said we would crumble, and boy did we crumble!

it was true, he got the sponsors MOTM, those sponsors must have been

A:drunk
Bicon_surprised.gifnly know crabtree's name
C: gave it him because it was a big day for him

i thought ta'ai and kaufusi were our best forwards today, crabtree and kopczak made little impact.
time to roll the sleeves up and work lads!

I am waiting for IVOR to tell us we are all over reacting and that the Team of all talents lost three and drew two of their first seven games in 1914 !

Before the bullets are loaded I`m definitely not playing the pessimist --but the realist

Once more we do it
1 A game that had a special occasion wrapped in the same paper
A Heritage game to commemorate Albert Rosenfelds try scoring feat after the "Masters" game at Fartown (Really impressed by the numbers that came along to support their old favourites and the reception they got at half time!!)

2 Because of this game there were a fair few "extras" on the attendance -- and a week before the BIGGIE cup tie against Saints (but which is also on TV I gather

3 The prize of possibly taking the scalp of the teams bogey side in front of a fair sized crowd --(and after building a decent first half lead)

4 The opportunity after last weeks France disappointment to convince locals to get behind them next week and come down instead of watching "on the box" ........................and

5 If grinding out a win next week convincing those attending to carry on coming down and hopefully continuing to do so

This is what really bugs me

KD has vowed to do whatever possible to make this club the leading Yorkshire club --but needs to raise the average gate to 10000 plus to help get the sound financial footing to get the squad of players required-and maintain that standard

We HAVE a decent squad -last season proved that
As Ivor has said we dont become a bad side overnight
But we have become an UNDERPERFORMING side very quickly from the level we had achieved .
We never lead in France I believe but that aside,we have NOT built on the leads we have had in several games so far this season Hull KR /Widnes/Leeds and now Wires
In fact we have stopped dead -and let them beat us to the finishing line
Unfortunately -its been embarassingly consistent in THAT respect

Last season it was proven that you get on a winning roll and it feeds itself --sadly the complete opposite can mean you lose the ability to know HOW to WIN (ask Man Utd)
Id feel that Ken , me , and a few others on here would sleep a fair bit easier if we found the former formula again and SOON before the converts gained by last seasons success start drifting away and its left to the faithful again
Sadly that scenario could happen and only the players on the pitch and coaching staff can address it., ---not us or Ken Davy

At Wigan you played enterprising and entertaining rugby Played as a team and looked as though you were ALL enjoying yourselves
Never looked like losing
Now some look totally drained , unhappy, and totally unenthusiastic
Wheres it gone?
Please lads - if you get a lead - go for the jugular and finish the job!--and lets get back on track!

crackers, you looked totally fed up at full time, you know it's been a bad day when you can't even raise a smile!
the most disappointing thing is we know and im sure the players know that we are capable we just aren't doing it at the moment
im sure it will get better, we have seen a lot,lot worse than this in all our time!

Its not losing pal --its the WAY we lose at the moment !
The way things are we`re a first half team at best -and then I walk a tightrope!( and my balance is crap!

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I enjoyed the heart and enthusiasm of Messrs Johnson / Reilly / Oates/ StHilaire and co and the Police Masters team at Fartown beforehand so much more!
Giving their all and enjoying it --and it showed!!
Well done ALL!

Giving away cheap possession so often gives us little hope of beating any decent opposition.

The giants made 135 more tackles than Warrington yesterday. That has to have a massive effect on energy levels

I wonder what the sanction will be on Wire for failing to bring the correct kit? They were supposed to be in their Principal kit. media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Kit%20Di ... 202014.xls

I wonder what the sanction will be on Wire for failing to bring the correct kit? They were supposed to be in their Principal kit. media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Kit%20Di ... 202014.xls

My comments to a mod about this pathetic comment would get me banned. Grow up.

Quote ="Wadski"I wonder what the sanction will be on Wire for failing to bring the correct kit? They were supposed to be in their Principal kit. media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Kit%20Di ... 202014.xls'" They probably didn't have a spare shirt for Mr C. Ah, thought we were supposed to be in our alternative strip.

Quote ="Wadski"I wonder what the sanction will be on Wire for failing to bring the correct kit? They were supposed to be in their Principal kit. media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Kit%20Di ... 202014.xls'" They probably didn't have a spare shirt for Mr C. Ah, thought we were supposed to be in our alternative strip.

Good post.

Cas were fined for failing to follow operational rules in 2011. Knowing how the RFL like to make a quick buck with a fine or two, I'd expect we'll see one for Wire.

Having slept on yesterday's game there are a few issues that concern me, some about our approach/tactics and some wider game issues.

With regard to our approach, I think we have not got the pre-season spot on, it seems most ofl our players who took part in the World Cup are a bit off, not much we can do about that now, hopefully that will come, but Leroy, Ferres, Chan, Broughy, Koppy have all been not quite themselves.

Many have criticised our props, Eorl, Koppy & Kaufusi are all huge, why are they not dominating? I think the answer simple, because we are playing with 3 props not 4. Yesterday I felt in the first half hour we were well in control without getting out of 3rd gear, that was due to our front row setting a platform and getting on top, but that changed when we interchanged Faiumu for Koppy, we had already brought on Wood for Lunt, we played the next 25 minutes with a combination of Kaufusi/Eorl with Wood and Faiumu in the middle of the park. That is very lightweight and that is when the game changed, I don't think that was a co-incidence. Have we not learned past lessons? Fuey at prop is as daft as Lee Gilmore at prop, do we not remember being squeezed out by Wigan's six props in the play offs. we simply will not win a big prize with a three prop rotation.

I find it unbelievable that we had a young prop on the bench and didn't trust him. I think 15 minutes of JJ, seven or eight minutes either side of half time would have left our props and second rows less gassed in the last 10 - Fuey relieving Chan and Ta'ai. If JJ is not up to it, why was he on the bench and why is ullally on loan?

Paul Anderson is a fantastic coach, but that was a coaching error imo.

Speaking of Mullally, we have two tough games in 4 days coming up followed by the Easter programme, we need big bodies in the prop rotation, he should be recalled today and should play in at least two of the next four matches.

It now also seems we are short of centres, Ferres does not work well there, I think we have to go with Murphy that side. If Leroy is also out, as seems likely, I think we have to go with Bruno inside Jerry. That means Bailey instead of Bruno at loose, a different type of player and we loose a lot of defensive power with that, all the more reason to play 4 props.

Player frustration! Yes James Child was awful, absolutely awful, it is fine for fans to get frustrated with his performance, it is not acceptable for the players to do so. They must focus on what they can control. I feel that in at least three matches so far this year some of our players have let refs decisions impact their own performance (Yesterday, HKR & Catalans). We need to be more focussed than that, use percieved injustice as a motivation not a negative.

I will post seperately about refereeing, not just our games, I feel the standards of the same officials are declining. I think there is a wider debate to be had there.

We need to start holding on to the ball and not off load it 25 metres from our line when the defence is in our face. We need our props to take more hit ups to sap the defenders. Chris Hill made 23 carries for Warrington, our top prop was Eorl with 11. Ben Westwood also took 22 carries. Chan was our top carrying forward with 15. Do the maths, that's why Bruno had to make 49 tackles and Eorl 45. That's why 5 of our players made more tackles than anybody for Wire and a 6th was only beaten by Mickey Higham.

We ran out of steam as TSK suggests because we constantly had to tackle, tackle, tackle. Hence the gaps in our line late on.

It's not a tactical problem it's an application one. The players are taking short cuts. That leads to lost possession, which leads to frustration. they should stop the fancy stuff and go back to basics. Get the basics right and the rest will follow.

We played most of last season with Eorl, Koppy and Larne as our only props. We won the LLS. Clearly having 3 props supported by Faiumu and Tai'ai is not an issue.

Let me start with the ref - loads of people, at the game, on forums and ones i spoke to after were laying into Child, the problem was the penalties against us were all justified, its the fact that he wasn't penalising them for doing the same that was the issue - this didn't cost us the game, our players did, our coach did not the ref.

As for the performance, well another one where our big props were absolutely non existant, yes i do mean the crowd favourite Eorl and Koppy, these 2 guys are not giving our backs anything at all to work with at the moment, they are almost bystanders and one or two little half runs from Eorl aside i saw nothing again from them yesterday.

I was in France last week and nearly everyone who was there said Josh Johnson was probably our best forward out there but yet this week he doesn't get a sniff while the usual suspects trundle around offering nothing. Why is Baloo not sending a message out to the senior guys and giving him game time to hopefully give them a warning that there is competition ? maybe Baloo is happy with the contribution of the 2 nailed on places that these 2 seem to have!.

Also, the players and coaching staff insist it isn't a mental thing against Warrington - rubbish !! yesterday clearly showed that once they started to get a foothold into the game we babbed ourselves, stood and watched them and let them do what they wanted to do - Again ! we had that game, Wire were no threat for 40-50 minutes then we laid down and let them tickle our bellies, this happens every time we play them, coincidence or what ?.

Highly disappointed yesterday, we had them for the taking and blew the self destruct button yet again.

spot on

quite a few complaining about childs... i did warn you all beforehand but got shot down. wonder who the ref will be for the cup on saturday... i think it will be bentham!

Full time professional refs! Amazing how inconsistent they can be between each other, each game and even each half! It's crazy it really is!! One rule book but the interpretation is so so wide

i think people are aware of the poor standards of refereeing at the moment, CHILD! being just one poor performer.
but we cannot control what the referee does, referee's decisions might influence things, but the biggest influence is the players, if our players our doing their jobs properly then the referee's performance is usually irrelevant.

saying that though, the inconsistency in referee's at the moment is appalling, and yesterday once again proved it, wire were just as bad as we were for interference, holding down etc but only one team was penalized, but the players have to rise above it and get back to doing their jobs right.