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| Apart from the stadium, Wakey's franchise application will probably be better than, if not equal to: Salford, Quins, Cas, Crusaders and any Championship clubs. Its the stadium that matters, and that is what worries me.
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| Quote ="pyeman"With regards to the stadium, cas have outline planning permission and plan to submitt full planning permission before christmas (and there are no objections to the site), wakey dont even have outline planning permission and wont be able to get it till after the public enquiry which will take about a year. Cas should start construction in april.
Cas are financially stable (and in the last year have increased our income from sponsorship significantly) and even made a small profit in 09. Wheras wakey, quins and crusaders have all had financial difficulties.
Cas have higher attendances than quins, wakey, salford and crusaders and are about the same as catalans, despite dropping 900 off our attendance last season due to poor form, the recesion and most of our normally well attended home games being on sky.
With regards to youth development cas played 11 home grown players last season (including two who have just played in the academy series win over the aussies, 1 being the captain and the other scoring 3 tries in two games), and another playing for england in the 4 nations,we have since lost two, but brought one home grown player in, with 4 or 5 poised to make there debuts this year. This is far better than wakey, salford or crusaders.
Salford and wakey both have 9 (iirc) overseas players wheras cas have stuck to the rfl guidlines and only have 5.
Personally i prefered p+r but if we are using the franchise system cas should be ahead of salford and wakey (and quins and crusaders for that matter).'"
when the documents for FPP go in,do they go to local or national government ?.
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| Quote ="WakeyManDan8"Apart from the stadium, Wakey's franchise application will probably be better than, if not equal to: Salford, Quins, Cas, Crusaders and any Championship clubs. Its the stadium that matters, and that is what worries me.'"
dont know why you've included quins and the WC's in this.
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| Quote ="j.c"when the documents for FPP go in,do they go to local or national government ?.'"
Local.
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| Quote ="WakeyManDan8"Apart from the stadium, Wakey's franchise application will probably be better than, if not equal to: Salford, Quins, Cas, Crusaders and any Championship clubs. Its the stadium that matters, and that is what worries me.'"
What ways do you think that wakefield application will be superior to castleford-
cas have better- crowds, finances, youth development and less reliances on overseas investment.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Local.'"
so you expect it to go through without any problems ?.
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| WHY has it taken 3 years to obtain planning permission/start building when ALL the relevant teams have known since before the last farcical round of applications that having an up to date stadium would be high in the criteria list, Saints got the message why didn't the others?
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| Complacency, and a feeling of untouchableness Fred.
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| Quote ="j.c"so you expect it to go through without any problems ?.'"
Yes there have been no objections, the council support it and there is very little housing near by, its mainly an area of entertainment and shopping, and these businesses support the ground as it will increase there revenue streams.
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| Quote ="FredParky"WHY has it taken 3 years to obtain planning permission/start building when ALL the relevant teams have known since before the last farcical round of applications that having an up to date stadium would be high in the criteria list, Saints got the message why didn't the others?'"
Quote ="leythdave"Complacency, and a feeling of untouchableness Fred.'"
Not at all, our main source of funding is the sale of our ground, this ground is next to an old chemical factory, the factory had a 'blast zone' that restricted housing being built nearby. A company bought the factory for housing and intended to do the neccersary work to clear this blast zone, but then went bust with the recesion, cas have been waiting a couple of years for the blast zone to be cleared (something we have no control over) which it now has been so we can sell the ground. Basically cas would already be in a new ground if it were not for the recesion, the club has done everything in its power to get the ground built but outside influences have held us back.
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| IMO Cas are the safest of the 3 who are fighting against the drop......... Crowds, cash etc are better than Salford and Wakey - I think Wakey should be the most worried of the 3.
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| Quote ="leytherjay"IMO Cas are the safest of the 3 who are fighting against the drop......... Crowds, cash etc are better than Salford and Wakey - I think Wakey should be the most worried of the 3.'"
I agree with all that leytherjay, but i do like Wakey don't know why really, so hope they are ok, i don't dislike Cas or Salford by the way.
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| Still happy with the wife Ian ?
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| No one has mentioned the Biggest Club in the World yet, Dull KR, think they are in a little trouble at the moment financially.
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| Quote ="frankb"Still happy with the wife Ian ?
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Don't get that Frank.
By the way are you better now mate?
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| Quote ="ian c"I agree with all that leytherjay, but i do like Wakey don't know why really, so hope they are ok,'"
Thats because you are a thoroughly decent man!
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Thats because you are a thoroughly decent man!
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| Quote ="leythdave"No one has mentioned the Biggest Club in the World yet, Dull KR, think they are in a little trouble at the moment financially.'"
Doesn't matter if the 'in house' applications don't count financial matters as someone has aluded to on another thread.
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| Quote ="ian c"icon_confused.gif: Don't get that Frank.
By the way are you better now mate?'"
All I mean't was you liking those other clubs. Perhaps would have been better had I posted '"and how do you feel about Wigan ?"
Yeh thanyou finally felt better 2 days ago.
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| Quote ="frankb"All I mean't was you liking those other clubs. Perhaps would have been better had I posted '"and how do you feel about Wigan ?"
Yeh thanyou finally felt better 2 days ago.
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Ah i understand now, not very bright at working things out me Frank.
Glad to here you are better mate.
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| Quote ="frankb"Why is he incorrect ? He says other criteria. Well Cas and Wakey have higher gates and have had better on field results haven't they ? Mind you results do not matter with a daft system like franchising do they ?
What other criteria are there apart from youth development ?'"
=#0000FF[iClubs are assessed on criteria in 5 key areas:
a. Commercial, Marketing, Media and Community.
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The licenses will be allocated to those clubs that the RFL board believes are the most suitable, taking into account the:
a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process;
b. Historical activity of the clubs under consideration; and
c. RFL’s reasonable opinion as to future performance of the clubs under consideration.[/iNo mention of attendances in there?
Still think Wakey and Cas beat Salford on every count?
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| Quote ="J20"If you judged all 3 on the 'Leigh way' i.e. Not played in new ground so it doesn't exist then Salford fall way behind.'"
New stadiums or redevelopments of existing stadiums will only be taken into account if the RFL is satisfied that the stadium will be open or the redevelopment finished by the start of the 2012 season.
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"New stadiums or redevelopments of existing stadiums will only be taken into account if the RFL is satisfied that the stadium will be open or the redevelopment finished by the start of the 2012 season.'"
That buggers up Salford then
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"=#0000FF[iClubs are assessed on criteria in 5 key areas:
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a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process;
b. Historical activity of the clubs under consideration; and
c. RFL’s reasonable opinion as to future performance of the clubs under consideration.[/iNo mention of attendances in there?
Still think Wakey and Cas beat Salford on every count?'"
Well it is all judgemental isn't it and in any event Saford will be safe because SKY will want them in purely because of their subscription base in Manchester.
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| Quote ="Fatboys Limb"New stadiums or redevelopments of existing stadiums will only be taken into account if the RFL is satisfied that the stadium will be open or the redevelopment finished by the start of the 2012 season.'"
Yet Leigh's app was solely based on HP, with NO consideration of the LSV, already being built, and being played in the immediate next season.
No promises, and pipe dreams, it was up, ready and just needed signing off.
The ironic thing is this stadium which wasn't taken into account, has just saved the RFL'S blushes, and twice at that, and 3 times as a whole facility in a week.
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