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| Not the time to be pointing out previous mistakes (with the benefit of hindsight) that we can't change and instead concentrate on what can be done to see us through the immediate term before we can look at the long term picture.
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Starbug - surely the plan isnt to run at salary cap level next year - the aim, if things are as bad as has been said, is to get us to start the year then get a team together that we cann afford
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I haven't suggested we will run at the max salary cap next year , I have suggested a level that the club would have to achieve to run at max salary cap without ' donations '
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| As I see it Wigan MBC (as it was then) made staying at HP impossible doing it by various methods like reducing the safety certificate to less than 1000, isolating it physically by putting a fence up like they have now I apologise if this isn't how it went but I remember something being said along these lines at a LISA meeting some years ago and old age is catching up with my memory .
As AT was by all understandings the one who was writing the cheques did the directors have a say in where the money went?
But yes Matt I agree let the past be laid to rest and look forward looking back with hindsight is great now but is it of value now?
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also Starbug you have implied that the lease is the noose around the club's neck - it needs to be renegotiated, if not then maybe admin/liquid is the only option. i commend the work that the directors have done and the money that they have put in but if it was their personal business i'd be surprised if they would have agreed to move to premises before noing the costs - which is supposedly what happended here. yes i've seen many instance of businessmen 'losing' their business accumen when it comes to running a club.
2 massive errors from the directors of the club:
1. signing up to the stadium when they were in an extreme negotiating position
but i stand to be corrected if ive missunderstood what happened'"
It isn't the lease as such , it is the loss of income streams , so re negotiation isn't really an option IMO
As for agreeing to this lease , and it being a ' massive error ' , have you seen the fence that has now been erected between what was Hilton Park and the land Leigh East rented ?
Well the council own the Leigh East land , and they made it quite clear if we didn't agree to move to the new stadium , the council would erect a fence where that fence is , the sum total of that fence would have been the reduction of the capacity of Hilton Park to 1,000 due to Health and Safety
So tell me now what the board of directors should have done ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"It isn't the lease as such , it is the loss of income streams , so re negotiation isn't really an option IMO
As for agreeing to this lease , and it being a ' massive error ' , have you seen the fence that has now been erected between what was Hilton Park and the land Leigh East rented ?
Well the council own the Leigh East land , and they made it quite clear if we didn't agree to move to the new stadium , the council would erect a fence where that fence is , the sum total of that fence would have been the reduction of the capacity of Hilton Park to 1,000 due to Health and Safety
So tell me now what the board of directors should have done ?'"
I also seem to get the impression that planning permission is more forthcoming for the East site than what Miller(?) Homes faced with the HP site. But that's all another topic for another day IMHO.
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2. not investing AT money into making the club sustainable or having a plan b for when AT couldnt put money in
but i stand to be corrected if ive missunderstood what happened'"
Arthur decided where his money was spent
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| Quote ="jpleigh"£25 a month for a ST, A Shirt each year and membership of the Ledgends bar. Starting asap'"
£30 per month for Matt.......(more material needed for his shirt than the rest of us)
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| Back off to finish my hols camping in Southport now.....(only popped back for a couple of hours), have fun and will be back on Sunday.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"Indeed, if we talking about 1,000+ people having a constant Direct Debit with the club then it would most likely require a full-time member of staff for it's operation, so you can immediately deduct £15k or so from the cash such a scheme would bring in.'"
A few seasons ago, when S/T holders were allowed to pay by D/D, I think there were a maximum of 20 doing so. We had problems with at least half of those D/D's. There were two reasons for the problems. People cancelled the D/D, or the bank messed it up - i.e. the money was taken out of the S/T holder account, and paid to someone other than Sporting Club Leigh, even though the D/D instruction was typed!
Yes, the D/D's would need monitoring, but I would fully expect a member of the PSG to do it - for nothing.
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| Key is to start DD early and issue ST in two parts, thus always paid more than watched.
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| 1. I've never had a d/d go wrong in over 40 years
2. with computers being used I cannot see why it would take a full time job to monitor the situation, if it did then how does the club's lottery survive given the number of d/d's they have
3.Get it started asap as even 100 members at £25 pm will produce £30k pa, giving a £10k profit even ignoring the profit on the shirts.
If you don't want to join then don't but don't make negative posts as it does not help the club.
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| Sometimes people find problems were there are non and if they cant find a problem then "quite bizzarley" they make them up.
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| Assuming we will have 13 home games next season like this, then the actual cost at £14 (North Stand) is £182. So I think selling these at £150 is a good price. In fact I'd go one further and put admission prices up a quid making them even better value. A better incentive to get a ST and extra revenue on ticket sales for non ST tickets.
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| i might have miss heard this but at the lisa meeting i think it was mentioned that prices will go up by at least a pound a game,quite right to IMO.
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| I think putting prices up by over 40 quid will not help
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| Quote ="ste_ody"I think putting prices up by over 40 quid will not help'"
I do.
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| Quote ="maurice"I do.'"
I think it will help as well,anyone who thinks $110 is a realistic price for watching a season of rl is a thief.
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| No matter the price I will buy mine. If we charge 150 we will loose money. 125 at a push, what you have to remember is family's go to the game. 2 adult season tickets poss a kid around Christmas is rather expensive
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| Quote ="ste_ody"No matter the price I will buy mine. If we charge 150 we will loose money. 125 at a push, what you have to remember is family's go to the game. 2 adult season tickets poss a kid around Christmas is rather expensive'"
do us a favour ste have a look at what all the other champ clubs are charging,from experiance i think most other clubs charge more than us for walk up on the day prices?.
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| Not forgetting the increase in VAT which the club swallowed
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| Quote ="ste_ody"No matter the price I will buy mine. If we charge 150 we will loose money. 125 at a push, what you have to remember is family's go to the game. 2 adult season tickets poss a kid around Christmas is rather expensive'"
Thats why we must offer great family packages instead of stupid free tickets and bring concessions with into line with reality.
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