The tackle on AJ at St Helens was a bad one (resultant in him missing the next game due to bruising of jaw and chipped teeth).

The tackle by O'loughlin on Saturday on Kevin Brown was a shocker.

Incredible insight ! , I'm amazed , I'll bet you can tell me what colour grass is and the sky as well ?

Adam didn't cause us to lose , but he certainly made it nigh on impossible for us to turn it round

But his opinion of what AJ did is just the as everyone else's on the thread so why pick him out as an idiot?

AJ's arm on contact. Where it finished up is another matter.




Here is the charge.

ADAM HIGSON - LEIGH
LEIGH V SALFORD - SUPER LEAGUE
RANGE OF RECOMMENDED SANCTIONS IN RELATION TO CHARGED GRADE* :

4-8

DETAILS OF CHARGE / REASON FOR NF :

Rule – 15.1(b) Detail – High Tackle – Intentional – stiff arm tackle – =#FF0000no attempt to tackle legitimately – violent Grade – E

DECISION:

Charge

INCIDENT:

High Tackle in the 55th minute (O’Brien)

=#FF0000On the screenshot evidence, I tend to disagree.

Here's SOL outcome.

SEAN O’LOUGHLIN - WIGAN
WIGAN V WARRINGTON - SUPER LEAGUE
DETAILS OF CHARGE / REASON FOR NF :

Player making legitimate attempt to tackle opponent who has dipped significantly. Arm is not swung forwards, contact is open-handed and arm never comes beyond horizontal. Initial contact is to upper chest. Penalty sufficient.

DECISION:

No charge

INCIDENT:

High Tackle in the 66th minute (Brown)

=#FF0000IIRC Stewart was banned for 2 games for the same reason. On the same player too.

So in theory AJ may not be available for selection until the middle 8s.

I didn't realise Sean had a hand on his elbow

What they really meant was his back is knackered and he can't bend down anymore , but he plays for England so we'll let him off

Well that photo gives me a bit of hope - didn't look pretty at all but 8 would be very harsh, don't think he has the worst of records

Got 5 match ban

That's about right.

Reffy , a question for you , when a players ball carrying arm ( elbow ) touches the ground , is the tackle deemed complete ?

Yes if an opponent has a hand on him, no if he hasn't.

So Murdoch-Massilla would be making a double movement if he continued to try to ground the ball after his elbow was on the floor ?

That one was more like a treble movement.

His elbow didn't hit the floor though? It hit the defender. You could argue that the tackle should've been called as complete because he'd stopped, but he didn't ground the ball short of the line.

just watched it again on sky he was stopped then lifted his arm,surely a double movement

But the first time his arm hits the floor is when he grounds the ball.

The important bit is "on the floor", on a player is not the same.

He momentarily loses control and it hits the Leigh player then he grounds it. The moment it touches the Leigh player it is a knock on. That is my take on the subject.

Are you not seeing what you wanted to see, he was always in control of the ball, the question is about the ball grounded thus a double movement or ball on defender thus a try?

We have had a few interpretations in this thread, the ref has to pick one of them.

He does have the advantage of k nowing the rules.

On a slightly different topic, is it time Sky got shut of Cummings, his input has become irritation and he is a distraction?

Don't think there was a knock on, or double movement. On watching it live, would question how long does a player get to wriggle free and get the ball down before being called as held up, and made to play the ball on the 10.

As for Cummings. Yes, time to go.

Loose carry..

Massilla has the ball in his right hand , his left elbow touches the pitch ,' so that's fine , he then try's to ground the ball with his right hand , he doesnt ground it until he uses his left hand ( with his left elbow still on the pitch ) , as soon as his left hand touches the ball the tackle is complete

If a player fumbles a ball while moving forward , never regains control of the ball but then drops it after moving forward 5/6 feet surely he has knocked on from the point he lost control ?

=#FF0000No, tries have been scored with a player juggling the ball over the line and touching down.