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| Quote ="salfordlad"Why ?
Not saying I don't rate him but why ?'"
Because he can kick a drop goal from 50 yards
Sign him, dont play him till the play offs
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| Quote ="Starbug"Because he can kick a drop goal from 50 yards
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Ah, but how fit would he be then?
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| I like the play off system. I think to be called the best team you have to be consistent over the year and also be able to play knock out rugby.
If you look at teams achievements you have Fev who finished top but went out in the semi final of the playoffs and first round of the NRC.
Leigh won the NRC and went out in the first stage of the playoffs after finishing 4th in the League.
Fax 3rd in the league and semi final of the playoffs but 1st round of the NRC.
Sheffield 2nd in the league, Grand final, CC QF(Which cost them the NRC imo), and NRC final. I would be surprised if they didnt win the final.
If they did win the final it would be really hard to make an argument that anyone other than Sheffield has been the best team overall this year at this level.
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| Quote ="Alan"Ah, but how fit would he be then?
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Does it matter?
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I like the play off system. I think to be called the best team you have to be consistent over the year and also be able to play knock out rugby.
If you look at teams achievements you have Fev who finished top but went out in the semi final of the playoffs and first round of the NRC.
Leigh won the NRC and went out in the first stage of the playoffs after finishing 4th in the League.
Fax 3rd in the league and semi final of the playoffs but 1st round of the NRC.
Sheffield 2nd in the league, Grand final, CC QF(Which cost them the NRC imo), and NRC final. I would be surprised if they didnt win the final.
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Fair comment about Sheffield. They've been consistently good all season.
However, what if Batley won the GF? (and good luck to them) Would they be the 'best' team in the Championship, to be 'promoted'? Indeed, to take the most ridiculous scenario - what if Dewsbury (from 7th with 14 defeats) or Workington (from 8th with 15 defeats) had won the GF? Unlikely, I know, but not impossible - wouldn't it be ludicrous to promote someone who had 'enjoyed' that kind of season?
If they did win the final it would be really hard to make an argument that anyone other than Sheffield has been the best team overall this year at this level.
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| I love the play offs. Everyone in recent years has complained about 'pointless' games and without them they would have been pointless, but the playoffs really bring the back end of the season alive with something to play for (cold hard cash).
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| Quote ="mish"I love the play offs. Everyone in recent years has complained about 'pointless' games and without them they would have been pointless, but the playoffs really bring the back end of the season alive with something to play for (cold hard cash).'"
But the league games are pointless mish as the winners of the league games isn't classed as the champions and as long as you are in the top 8 you have a crack at winning the main trophy, I would still keep an end of season comp but as a separate cup not one that decides the overall winners, just my opinion of course.
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| But in lieu of that I would rather have the playoffs than nothing at all.
I do think that those who finish first in the league should be the ones who are promoted though, and not the winner of the playoffs.
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| Quote ="mish"But in lieu of that I would rather have the playoffs than nothing at all.
I do think that those who finish first in the league should be the ones who are promoted though, and not the winner of the playoffs.'"
Yes I agree mish.
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| But if you do that the play offs would be pointless.
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| You'd still get the cash for winning the playoffs.
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| Quote ="salfordlad"But if you do that the play offs would be pointless.'"
How about promotion for the top of the league - but the prize money goes to the GF winners??
That way both have an incentive.
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| The format is very clear.
You particiapte in rounds each week to set you up for the play off's and to contest the grand final. The more weekly rounds you win gives you the best advantage to secure a Grand Final spot.
You need to win the Grand Final to be crowned the season's champions. What's wrong with that? Everyone know's the score.
Embrace it and enjoy it...
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| Scrap the play offs altogether, they are meaningless and pointless. It is a competition for eight teams that attracts very little interest and the attendance figures are embarrassing. Add the prize money to the rewards for finishing in the top three and promote the Champions.
Leigh's attitude to the competition has been displayed by regular early exits.
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| Doubt Batley fans and the rest of the finalists fans would agree with you there.
I usually attend the Grand Final and it is a great day out.
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| Quote ="reffy"Scrap the play offs altogether, they are meaningless and pointless. It is a competition for eight teams that attracts very little interest and the attendance figures are embarrassing. Add the prize money to the rewards for finishing in the top three and promote the Champions.
Leigh's attitude to the competition has been displayed by regular early exits.'"
Unfortunately (for yourself) they are here to stay. They also provide compelling TV viewing and advertising revenue. Additionally they are the most intense Rugby League matches of the domestic calendar across all Rugby League divisions culminating with two consecutive golden point games in the championship alone.
Leigh's attitude is irrelevent but that in itself is a poor analogy. Quite simply, They were beaten by the better team in all of those games
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| Quote ="Harold Rigby Jnr"Unfortunately (for yourself) they are here to stay. '"
Have you got proof of that?
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| Quote ="salfordlad"But if you do that the play offs would be pointless.'"
But the league is pointless also with having the play offs . Whoever finishes top of the league should be crowned champions .This is not sour grapes by any means but I don't think a club finishing in 5th can honestly be the champions ,its the same in SL . The top 8 is far too many clubs ,top 5 with league leaders straight to final( if there are to be play offs,) as their reward for finishing top .
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| Think you'll find that 2015 season will be completely different ie bottom 4 of sl join top 4 of champ for a mini league to decide which 4 teams will go into sl for 2016
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| Quote ="reffy"Have you got proof of that?'"
What do you think?
However I do not have proof either that the world will continue tomorrow either but I would say the odds are about the same as the Rugby League play off's continuing next year I would say.
No proof, just my opinion. As we have used play off's to determine who goes up into Super League previously, I see no logical reason as to why the same system will not be used in the future.
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| Quote ="Harold Rigby Jnr"What do you think?
However I do not have proof either that the world will continue tomorrow either but I would say the odds are about the same as the Rugby League play off's continuing next year I would say.
No proof, just my opinion. As we have used play off's to determine who goes up into Super League previously, I see no logical reason as to why the same system will not be used in the future.'"
Although the top team in Championship One is automatically promoted, and does not figure in the play-offs. There's consistency for you.
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| Player availability for upto three end of season games, a stroke of good or bad fortune, key players injured or a crucial decision should not be preferred as a means to decide promotion over a system that rewards the team finishing top of a league that includes playing all opponents twice.
Playoffs were first introduced when all teams didn't play each other equally now it is just an unwanted gimmick. In my opinion of course.
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| Quote ="reffy"Player availability for upto three end of season games, a stroke of good or bad fortune, key players injured or a crucial decision should not be preferred as a means to decide promotion over a system that rewards the team finishing top of a league that includes playing all opponents twice.
Playoffs were first introduced when all teams didn't play each other equally now it is just an unwanted gimmick. In my opinion of course.
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Pretty much sums it up for me.
Equally I don't think people turn up for them anymore as the gates through all the leagues are pretty poor when it comes to play off RL.
Don't mind having a end of season cup competition but I'd prefer the league to return to how it should be which is the team that wins the most matches week in week out is the one we call the Champion and each weekly round being of vital importance win or lose.
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| Anyway like it or not we need to make the final 2014
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| Quote ="JENKY"Pretty much sums it up for me.
Equally I don't think people turn up for them anymore as the gates through all the leagues are pretty poor when it comes to play off RL.
Don't mind having a end of season cup competition but I'd prefer the league to return to how it should be which is the team that wins the most matches week in week out is the one we call the Champion and each weekly round being of vital importance win or lose.'"
I agree with you also jenky. Maybe the winners of the league do go up but still have an end of season cup comp with a pot of gold for the winner.
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