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| Quote ="sally cinnamon" Souness is much maligned by football fans but I think he's a good bloke and a true football man who doesn't stand for the egos and nonsense in the modern game'"
I like Graham Souness as a pundit, i applaud people that are not affraid to speak their mind within reason, if you have something to say then just say it, again within reason.
Its the politically correct presenters that i`m not a fan of like Gary Linaker and Eddie Hemmings, they both come across as company men, that type of presenting isn`t my cuppa.
The ideal line up to replace Richard Keys and Andy Gray for me would be Ian Holloway presenting, Ian Holloway doing the match summarising and Ian Holloway commentating.
As for the current saga with the sacking of Andy Gray and Richard Keys resigning, i think their is more to it than meets the eye. Maybe Sky have been looking for a reason to get rid of both for a while now, they could have felt that their presenting had become a bit out dated and this was the perfect oppertunity to get shut especially when Andy Gray is allegedly on around £30k a week which is a bit laughable.
Women who are entering a mainly male dominated sport should expect banter and jokes, i don`t see too much wrong with what they both said which was supposed to be off air, thats just every day banter like i`m sure women would have a laugh at Andy Gray and Richard Keys if they were presenting netball or similar. Mountain out of a molehill springs to mind, its the typical british media that have made it into a huge story when their wasn`t one really.
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| Can we have Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand to replace these two?
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| I'd replace Keys with Stelling, and Gray with Strachan.
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| Quote ="Wirefan"Football is a girls game.'"
I'm sure you'd go on Victoria park on a Sunday morning and tell everyone that.
Quote ="Yed"lovejoy?'"
Dear God, no. As nauseating, pathetic, glory hunting, JCL look at me aren't I great as you'll find. Truely believes he is one of the reason footballs is as big as it is today.
[iWhen Saturday Comes[/i did a fantastic job of reviewing his autobiography [urlhttp://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/145/29/[/url.
Quote ="Rob Wire"I like Graham Souness as a pundit, i applaud people that are not affraid to speak their mind within reason, if you have something to say then just say it, again within reason.
Its the politically correct presenters that i`m not a fan of like Gary Linaker and Eddie Hemmings, they both come across as company men, that type of presenting isn`t my cuppa.
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To think Souness has been told on a number of occasions to hold back and bite his tongue when on Sky. As mentioned before if you ever get the chance to see a game on RTE have a look. He really is aloud to see what he wants over there.
I can't for the life of me understand why James Richardson has never got the chance on Sky or MOTD. The MOTD2 role after Chiles went was perfect for him. Maybe getting the chance to work with Redknapp, Shearer and Lawrenson would but him off though.
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| Lovejoy: “and please welcome our guest, Martin Freeman”
Freeman: “Hi tim, is that a Ramones t-shirt?”
Lovejoy: “Yeah”
Freeman: “What’s your favourite album?”
Lovejoy: “...”
Freeman: “Got any of their albums? Know any of their songs?”
Lovejoy: “er….no”
Freeman: “oh, ok”
James Richardson is a very good call, btw.
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| Ray Hudson from Gol.tv is a cracking shout.
If I were Sky, I'd just move over the commentators and hosts from their Spanish football coverage. Don't know them by name, but there is the regular commentator and then some cockney fella who is somehow associated to Spanish football. They stick to talking about the game, barely stir and seem to understand modern concepts about football. Pretty much every knob pundit-ing on English football these days is borderline clueless. Whether it's Chiles, the Irish t[iit[/i off MOTD2 or whoever, they all come across as generally ignorant, gaining most of their 'material' from the red tops. Every now and then you get the good ex-pro, mainly foreign, that offer good analysis and understanding, but they are often too 'good' for the Sky target audience.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Ray Hudson from Gol.tv is a cracking shout.
If I were Sky, I'd just move over the commentators and hosts from their Spanish football coverage. Don't know them by name, but there is the regular commentator and then some cockney fella who is somehow associated to Spanish football. They stick to talking about the game, barely stir and seem to understand modern concepts about football. Pretty much every knob pundit-ing on English football these days is borderline clueless. Whether it's Chiles, the Irish t[iit[/i off MOTD2 or whoever, they all come across as generally ignorant, gaining most of their 'material' from the red tops. Every now and then you get the good ex-pro, mainly foreign, that offer good analysis and understanding, but they are often too 'good' for the Sky target audience.'"
Terry Gibson I think you mean Rob.
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| Quote ="Nikaed"Terry Gibson I think you mean Rob.'"
Probably is. Not had Sky for a couple of years now so not always been able to watch English coverage, but I think he's a top commentator who swerves the BS and keeps things on the game.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Probably is. Not had Sky for a couple of years now so not always been able to watch English coverage, but I think he's a top commentator who swerves the BS and keeps things on the game.'"
Used to play for us and Wimbledon.
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| Quote ="Nikaed"Used to play for us and Wimbledon.'"
The only blight on his CV, then? To be honest, listening to a sour Manc every week isn't much different to listening to a sour bluenose every week, so I could get used to it, eventually
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"The only blight on his CV, then? To be honest, listening to a sour Manc every week isn't much different to listening to a sour bluenose every week, so I could get used to it, eventually
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'A sour bluenose'??....Makes me laugh when I hear that....Gray spent a season and a half at Goodison, not exactly a lifetime and during his commentary career as regularly shown an affection for United, a club who it is well known he wanted to play for, but the move never came off.
Add his adulation for Stevie G and I think any idea he was biased towards Everton is a bit OTT.
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| Take your P45 son
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| Don't worry Sian love. It's ok to know all about football.
To be honest, I don't know the first thing about ironing.
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| Quote ="Yed"Take your P45 son'"
*put on loud Andy Gray voice*
[i"The Managing Director's called me into his office, sat me down and said 'Go on son, have a look at that document'. I've taken a look, and clear as day, it's my P45. It's an incredible strike, and it's given me absolutely no chance!!!"[/i
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are giving odds on who will replace the 2 hapless loons..even mrs redknapp gets a quote 100/1
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are giving odds on who will replace the 2 hapless loons..even mrs redknapp gets a quote 100/1
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Ray Hudson from Gol.tv is a cracking shout.
If I were Sky, I'd just move over the commentators and hosts from their Spanish football coverage. Don't know them by name, but there is the regular commentator and then some cockney fella who is somehow associated to Spanish football. They stick to talking about the game, barely stir and seem to understand modern concepts about football. Pretty much every knob pundit-ing on English football these days is borderline clueless. Whether it's Chiles, the Irish t[iit[/i off MOTD2 or whoever, they all come across as generally ignorant, gaining most of their 'material' from the red tops. Every now and then you get the good ex-pro, mainly foreign, that offer good analysis and understanding, but they are often too 'good' for the Sky target audience.'"
Rob Palmer is the main spanish play by play guy, and Mark Bolton is the presenter. Think the colour commentator is, as Mark says, Terry Gibson.
Unless you mean Graham Hunter, who is kind of a reporter so to speak. He lives in Spain and has quite a good knowledge of Spanish football. He's like Tim Vickery, who lives in Brazil I think.
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| Now that the dust has started to settle on this issue I'd just like to congratulate SKY on their stand against sexism. Anyone know who the soccerette on Soccer Am is this week ???
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| Quote ="sirlesboyd"Now that the dust has started to settle on this issue I'd just like to congratulate SKY on their stand against sexism. Anyone know who the soccerette on Soccer Am is this week ???'"
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| I hope he wins his 3 mil
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| Quote ="Wirefan"Football is a girls game.'"
It is when girls play it.
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| Quote ="sir_penko"why are we as a country caught up in pointless 'scandals'? I despise the over indulgent press sometimes'"
In this extremely politically correct world we live in if you live by the sword you will certainly die by it too! I can't believe that Gray and Keyes were so niave!
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| Quote ="sir_penko"why are we as a country caught up in pointless 'scandals'? I despise the over indulgent press sometimes'"
It keeps the proles from revolting.
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| Quote ="WireFanatic III"Rob Palmer is the main spanish play by play guy, and Mark Bolton is the presenter. Think the colour commentator is, as Mark says, Terry Gibson.
Unless you mean Graham Hunter, who is kind of a reporter so to speak. He lives in Spain and has quite a good knowledge of Spanish football. He's like Tim Vickery, who lives in Brazil I think.'"
All of them other than Graham should do the regular coverage of football. I don't really like Graham, as I said, I'd rather get Ray Hudson in there somewhere. A "Bernini sculpture" of a commentator.
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| Jamie Redknapp and Chris Kamara for me.
But Kammy do it?
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| What's this country coming to, when pish like this is the second item on national news.
There's been plenty of sexist banter before when men/young lads work on production lines, highly populated by women.
It's about time the population of this once great country, grew a pair, and stopped being offended by the slightest remark.
I watched The Big Question yesterday (I know, I need to get out more) and they were debating this. What a load of "pooh". A couples of feminists, getting their knickers in a twist (oops) over nowt. IT HAPPENS BOTH WAYS. I bet there's enough sexist banter in many offices up and down the country, where fellas are on the receiving end.
FWIW tho, I'm glad the pair of them are gone. Gray, with his obvious bias to 2 certain North West teams who play in red, and Keys, with his "I know more than you" attitude/delivery to the camera. Can Sky please
make Redknapp & Merson walk the plank with them
I hope they promote Stelling (knowledgable, and with a personality)
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