Same here as well..

you raise some good points and I said it was in my opinion I think the over arching thing we can gleen from this is Gleeson has, a lot of the time, put his foot wrong.

I think drink driving is the stupidiest thing anyone could do. Not only is it extremely dangerous to the person doing it but it is also the most selfish thing a person can do for putting innocent people at risk. I have held that against Moz and Briers in my mind. Also I am sure there are many other people who have done a daft things in super league. For example Ben Cockayne in a late night punch up, sama with Leon Pryce. However, what you almost comically fail to have noticed in your post is you say that Gleeson has done these bad things and then said how others have done the same, That doesn't make it okay to do so many bad things.

There is a lot of talk of how Hock deserves a second chance and I suppose he does he has only made one major cock up. However, there are people who think he should never play the game again because of what he has to its image. He has only done one thing wrong. He made a mistake and took drugs. Gleeson has repeatedly made mistakes. From betting on a game he has played in to being caught drink driving to the drinking culture he and longy partook in at Sts. You could be argue that it is apples and oranges, however, the point is that Gleeson has always found controversy. Every chance he has been given he has tarnished with scandal.

This brings me onto my final point.

Sts- removed for a betting scandal
Wire- I can't remember the resons why we let him go
Wigan- removed amidst a cloud of controversy (although you can't tell me that Wigan wanted to move Tomkins into the centres to cover him this year)
and in the same year; Hull- time off from playing for stress (blanket term; more will come to light soon I am sure)

Apart from at Wire (strangely enough) he has not spent a great deal of time at a club without being moved on amidtst a cloud of controversy.

You raise a point about why I think this of Gleeson. I hope I have disproved that in my previous points. However, as a final thought; I don't follow the rumours about Gleeson. As I have said previously I don't have a great deal of respect for him. However, ask yourself; why do people believe these rumours about Gleeson? Would you believe that the reason why Chris Riley has been moved to Quins was because he was taking drugs or he was in deep with a gang or had stolen the crown jewels or whatever things have been made up about Gleeson? No? thought as much. Gleeson attracts cause he has spent his career wallowing in it.

I wish him the best but his past will not be forgotten because of good intentions in the present. My overwriting thought of Gleeson as a player and as a character is of wasted potential.

I hope he seeks medical help about any possible mental problems he has. I know that road well and wish him a the best.

Why do people believe the rumours about Warrington breaking the salary cap?

Nobody questions when Harlequins, Crusaders etc sign somebody but whenever Warrington sign a player it attracts controversy that we are over the cap.

It's because people have been spreading rumours and innuendos about us being over the cap for many years, despite there being no evidence to show that we are, that people believe it.

Just like Gleeson, if you spread enough rumours over enough years then you don't need evidence, people believe it.



This gets said about him a lot but he's got 25 GB/England caps; won 2 Grand Final winners medals and a Challenge Cup winners medal. Im not sure what more people expected him to achieve.

In terms of potential for winning honours, the only reason he wasted his potential was because he signed for us, otherwise at Saints he would have won 4 more major trophies.

Stress? The bad back of the 21st century.

And don't get me started on bi-polar...

Maybe we could make him a card.

Why because you such and expert it would take up all your time writing a thesis on it and wasting it on us and then miss out on the 18:00 at Newmarket, i bet what you know about bi-polar could be written on half a betting slip in permanent marker.

manic depression is bi polar disorder, hth


people make decisions in life, some good, some bad, some have an impact on ones mental health.
to call some one a disgrace however is a tad out of order imo.

making bad choices is to be human.

to stand in judgement kinda implies you've never made a wrong decission in your life. true you may not have made the same mistakes as MG but does that give you the right to make such harsh comments.

1/3 people will suffer from mental illness at one time or another which at times makes the choices people make i life appear less rational or thought through.

let he without sin and all that!

Cracking post.I have suffered from an anxiety/stress related illness for almost 20yrs resisting the temptation to take medication as i know some of the drugs have horrible side effects but that's not to say they don't work for everyone.I just choose to fight mine by running but even that can only help it to an extent.Anyone who has this type of illness has my full sympathy.

heres a random Wiganer posting a story.

All Martins stress started around the time o the Blackmail story that was freely printed by the Media.
What followed , is common knowledge in Wigan (not the club).......but the "common Knowledge" isnt something to be posted on here.
And im not the least bit surprised hes suffering from stress.
There are plenty people know "the real reason"........they just choose not to post anything that could get RLFans in trouble.


AND.......congratulations mods on keeping this thread open, as the Wigan mods have........ive no idea why it isny discussable on the Hull board

wpm signing off..

I have a lot of respect for anybody that plays rugby league at any level. I wish him the best of luck. He has an awful lot of ability and like so many people in all walks of life has chosen to make some pretty bad decisions along the way mainly because his head has not been in the right place. A small insight is highlighted in some of the pictures on the Perpignan 2006 thread. I think Paul Cullen had too much respect for players like Briers and Gleeson based on pure ability rather than the correct attitude. he has probably had people telling him how brilliant he is since he was playing under 8's. Tony smith obviously had his card marked from day one and I have a lot more respect for Lee Briers these days for the way he has appeared to use Tony smiths guidance to improve himself.
I hope he comes through it and ends up in a better place.

I know there isn't a distinction in the terms. I was using the medical term and the outdated more recognisable term I assumed that was obvious. Never mind.

I know full well about mental illness and certianly don't need you preaching to me about it. That is why I know that even in mental illness it is never excusable to commit certain actions.


I bet you believe Chris Benoit shouldn't be judged for killing his family because he had a mental condition. People make mistakes and I understand why they do them but there should be no excuse for committing them. I know this as well as anybody.

You cite a good example with the warrington SC issue however, MG has had a track record of making mistakes. He has certainly been given many chances in his career and he has often thrown them back into the faces of the people handing them to him.

Also, what you say about MG's success is true to an extent. Gleeson, as you said, should have been the best centre in the league, who was also at the best team (in Sts) he threw that away and came to Wire where he didn't win anything. There is a good chance that Wigan will win something this year and he will miss out as Hull probably won't even make the playoffs. He has missed out on many medals he by rights should have won. You ask what people expect of him. I think people expect him to reach his potential which he hasn't done.


However, as I have said, my overwriting hope for Gleeson is that he can sort himself out and get the help he needs. A spotty past does not mean a spotty future.

I genuinely hope that Martin take a good look at himself now, as a person, not a player. He's a fantastic player, but he, like every man alive has made a lot of mistakes. Granted he's made a few catastrophic ones but, given the money he has been paid, the punishment he has put his body through and constantly being in the public eye, I think I would have sought a 'release' aswel!

I hope, from a humane viewpoint, he is alright. The last thing the world needs is another scenario like the tragic Terry Newton story. A man who paid the ultimate sacrifice for making a few bad choices.

Let's hope he can get back on track, and find a productive role within the game, because he has bags of ability, and English RL could learn a lot from him to aid development of the Arundel's and Watkins' of our competition. Just as NSW are using Joey, a class act with a 'colourful' past

The Hull mods appear to be cowardly powermongers. I'd like to know the actual rumours as I really have no idea, if anyone wants to pm me. Cheers. It's all a bit fishy if you ask me (and no, I am not smelling it out of my window!)

Whatever Gleesons problems are I hope he sorts them out and does what he does best, play rugby.

Always enjoyed watching him in P+B

What a player he is though. World class.

I certainly wouldn't call him wasted potential. He's played for two of the biggest clubs in rugby league and won a grand final at each of them. Not to mention he's represented his country.

Bad apple, yes. Wasted potential, no.

All the internet "false truths" that Sally eloquently referred to is summed-up in this one paragraph.

Perhaps jdrocket can list all these examples out?

My recollection is as follows:

Huddersfield - top young player who left a relegated club to move to a top team.

St Helens - victimised after being naive and winning the grand sum of £400 because he knew more than the bookies (he was one of few Saints players who actually backed-up and played in the Bradford game - and was probably Saints best on that day). Severely punished by his club who then agree a deal with Warrington and tell Gleeson they want him to go.

Warrington - tells the club he wants to go to Australia to play. Warrington persaude him to stay for another year with the promise he will be released for free from his contract then. In the meantime new coach arrives who doesn't want Gleeson in his squad and Wigan offer derious cash and a player new coach wants. Warrington tell him to talk to Wigan.

Wigan - scores in the club's lazarus like rise to Super League champions but then admittedly lets them down due to chaotic circumstances of his dealings outside of rugby.

Hull - turns their form around from the moment he signs. None of us know what his current problems actually are.

So where are all the examples of the "many chances in his career (that) he has often thrown them back into the faces of the people handing them to him"

to be honest you listed them in your post. Saints at their height with the world at his feet, throws it away with his off field activities.

Warrington - ISWT why didn't tony want him at the club if he's this massive talent and one of the finest players in the game ?

Wigan - shot foot himself - again with the outside activities cocking his professional life up. Blackmail stories cited in the press.

hull - normally it's 3 strikes and you're out, this at the minute looks like his 4th.

With a certain Mr Giggs, there was hard evidence as well as speculation. Until that hard evidence is placed in the public domain then everyone who posts on the subject will rightly be careful. Not because it hasn't happened, rather because eye witnesses and first hand examples are difficult to substantiate on a forum.

Here, Here and so far he has left (of sorts) Hull amidst some speculation.

As I have said, I am not privvy to these internet rumours. I just know he has been "kicked out of" two clubs after being there for a very short time, amidst very suspicious circumstances and controversy. He was given the opportunity to play for the best team in the league TWICE and threw it away both times. You can trivialise what he has done. Saying he only did a bit of drink driving or only bet a little bit, i suppose that is for your conscience.

Now I feel we are just treading old ground here and I will leave with I just hope he recovers now.

As proved again , more lockage

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PS dont forget to pass them PM's on

Steve got there before me.

At the request of Admin. Try whining to them and see how far you get.



Pathetic.

Admin have instructed all Gleeson threads on RLF to be locked, their call. I am guessing a Wire mod has not seen it yet hence it's still open.

Still carry on b#tching, Hutchie will back you up

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That goes for Hull posters criticising the Hull Mods, anymore of it and you're gone.

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