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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Hamilton for me deserves nothing, i would have been one of the first to congratulate him if he had won like he should have done in the best car in the championship, instead he almost somehow managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of a win. Take him out of the best car in F1 and how good is he really ? He had to rely on some massive luck to get this title, he almost blew it again like last year in the best car in F1.
Massa for me is the best driver in the championship, put Massa in the McLaren of this year and he would have won the tilte and probably quite easily. He only had to finish 5th and he almost blew that.'"
Just like rikonnen letting massa past in last race ...hmm you speak utter rubbish
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| Quote ="saintc"because he was on the wrong tyres which is why his last lap was done in over 1 minute 40. Hamiltons team chose the safe option and went for the wet tyres which paid dividends in the end, albeit only just.'" jesus wept,
you poke ya bleedin nose in to everything.
do they not speak to you on your board or what saintc.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Hamilton for me deserves nothing, i would have been one of the first to congratulate him if he had won like he should have done in the best car in the championship, instead he almost somehow managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of a win. Take him out of the best car in F1 and how good is he really ? He had to rely on some massive luck to get this title, he almost blew it again like last year in the best car in F1.
Massa for me is the best driver in the championship, put Massa in the McLaren of this year and he would have won the tilte and probably quite easily. He only had to finish 5th and he almost blew that.'"
What utter balls Rob. He finished with more points than Massa over the course of a season. Your opinion on how Massa would have gotten on in a McLaren car is pure guesswork.
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| Quote ="Ian [77"What utter balls Rob. He finished with more points than Massa over the course of a season. Your opinion on how Massa would have gotten on in a McLaren car is pure guesswork.'"
and he had points taken off and massa didnt
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| Well done Lewis fully deserved, its not about this one race its a whole season.
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| I guess that Glock chap can be assured of a nice fat cheque, or even a future contract with McLaren once the dust has settled??...
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| Great ending and thoroughly deserved for Lewis, The FIA have been gifting Massa all season and no way did he deserve to win.
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| With a bird like Nicole on his arm Lewis always wins..
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| Quote ="RedLionMike"With a bird like Nicole
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The one who waited until the camera was on her and then looked nervous/happy/jumping about?
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| Quote ="Ian [77"What utter balls Rob. He finished with more points than Massa over the course of a season. Your opinion on how Massa would have gotten on in a McLaren car is pure guesswork.'"
Oh right, thanks for pointing out the above. I won`t bother going into the technical stuff then as to what team has the better chassis, which car has the better straight line speed and which car is suited to the majority of tracks in F1, also which car has been dominating qualifying and pole position etc. Motor sport is probably my first sport as i`m into rallying and F1 but you will know more than me as usual so i will stop talking utter balls again.
If Glock doesn`t slow down suddenly then Lewis Hamilton has blown it for the 2nd successive year in a row, i`m well happy we have a british world champion but i`m sure even Ron Dennis will quietly say to himself that Lewis Hamilton almost blew it again. Hamilton`s fate was out of his own hands today and that shouldn`t have been the case with the machinery and support thats been given to him, oops here i go again talking utter balls.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Oh right, thanks for pointing out the above. I won`t bother going into the technical stuff then as to what team has the better chassis, which car has the better straight line speed and which car is suited to the majority of tracks in F1, also which car has been dominating qualifying and pole position etc. Motor sport is probably my first sport as i`m into rallying and F1 but you will know more than me as usual so i will stop talking utter balls again.
If Glock doesn`t slow down suddenly then Lewis Hamilton has blown it for the 2nd successive year in a row, i`m well happy we have a british world champion but i`m sure even Ron Dennis will quietly say to himself that Lewis Hamilton almost blew it again. Hamilton`s fate was out of his own hands today and that shouldn`t have been the case with the machinery and support thats been given to him, oops here i go again talking utter balls.'"
What on earth are you going on about now? All I said was
Hamilton deserved to win the World Championship; and
Your opinion on whether Massa would have won in a McLaren is a guess.
I couldn't give a shiny one what your 'first sport is'. You claimed that the youngest ever Formula 1 world champion, who very nearly won it in his debut year, who got more points than anyone else, who worked since he was a kid to lift that title, didn't deserve it. That is ridiculous Rob and you're making yourself look a complete fool by trying to argue otherwise.
Massa DIDN'T race in a McLaren. The technical info is irrelevant, unless you have a time machine, it's guess work.
You are talking utter balls and you know it. And no one gives a shiny one what your first sport is.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"
If Glock doesn`t slow down suddenly then Lewis Hamilton has blown it for the 2nd successive year in a row, .'"
Glock didnt just slow down to let Hamilton pass him. He was far slower on the last lap because he had dry tyres and it was pi$$ing down.
The other thing you are conveniently forgetting is that Hamilton was very comfortable in 4th until the tactical decision to change tyres was made. This ended up putting pressure on him but worked out in the end otherwise Hamilton could have found himself in Glocks position of struggling on the last lap and a half.
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| I'm disgusted that people who appreciate such a fine sport as RL, watch the durge that is F1.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Oh right, thanks for pointing out the above. I won`t bother going into the technical stuff then as to what team has the better chassis, which car has the better straight line speed and which car is suited to the majority of tracks in F1, also which car has been dominating qualifying and pole position etc. Motor sport is probably my first sport as i`m into rallying and F1 but you will know more than me as usual so i will stop talking utter balls again.
If Glock doesn`t slow down suddenly then Lewis Hamilton has blown it for the 2nd successive year in a row, i`m well happy we have a british world champion but i`m sure even Ron Dennis will quietly say to himself that Lewis Hamilton almost blew it again. Hamilton`s fate was out of his own hands today and that shouldn`t have been the case with the machinery and support thats been given to him, oops here i go again talking utter balls.'"
If you know about F1 then you will know how much time Glock lost in the final lap due to him being on dry tyres when it was ing down. he lost 18 seconds on dry tyres, nothing to do with he let Hamilton through. Glocks team chose the wrong option. If it had not rained again, Hamilton would have cruised home. Hamilton did nearly blow it, god knows how much pressure he was under to bring that home today but he did it in the end.
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| Quote ="Ian [77"
Massa DIDN'T race in a McLaren. '"
I think this is what most non-fans don't get about F1.....
Look, Hamilton may be a good driver, but ultimately the fact he is in the best car is the major factor, so why all the glory for Swiss Lewis? (or whoever happens to win).
Let's be honest, however good Swiss Lewis is, if me and him had a race, and he was in a Ford Fiesta, and I was in a Porsche, I reckon I'd whoop his candyass, which would make me World Champ??..
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| Quote ="Ian [77"You are talking utter balls and you know it. And no one gives a shiny one what your first sport is.'"
That bit doesn`t suprise me one bit coming from you as you seem to think that you are some some sort of representative of your cliquey mates on here, the spokesperson so to speak that when he speaks its the casting word. Its comedy to be honest, you come across as the usual keyboard gobe that this forum has in abundance.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"I think this is what most non-fans don't get about F1.....
Look, Hamilton may be a good driver, but ultimately the fact he is in the best car is the major factor, so why all the glory for Swiss Lewis? (or whoever happens to win).
Let's be honest, however good Swiss Lewis is, if me and him had a race, and he was in a Ford Fiesta, and I was in a Porsche, I reckon I'd whoop his candyass, which would make me World Champ??..
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Erm, the Ferrari has been the better car over the season, consistently taking poles, fastest laps etc . Where the Merc is better is in the wet or certainly Lewis was. If Schumacher or even Alonso had been in the Ferrari, who would have you put your money on .
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| Quote ="wire forever"Erm, the Ferrari has been the better car over the season, consistently taking poles, fastest laps etc
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But again, it comes down to the car....If ALL the drivers were in the same car would Swiss Lewis still come out on top??
Damon Hill once won the title, beating Schumacher, yet let's be honest, Hill wasn't fit to wipe the German's backside....it was down to the car.
My main gripe isn't against Swiss Lewis personally, its the superstar status these guys attain, when its actually the car doing all the work.
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| Quote ="wire forever"If you know about F1 then you will know how much time Glock lost in the final lap due to him being on dry tyres when it was ing down. he lost 18 seconds on dry tyres, nothing to do with he let Hamilton through. Glocks team chose the wrong option. If it had not rained again, Hamilton would have cruised home. Hamilton did nearly blow it, god knows how much pressure he was under to bring that home today but he did it in the end.
Well done Lewis
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Yes your talking of small margins here and i mean small margins, Hamilton was within 2 corners of losing the world championship when he should never have been in that position in the first place. Its no coincedence that for 2 years running now he has almost managed to blow the world title twice, my main point isn`t about Glock as a driver or his teams tactics. The point is about Hamilton, he takes risks when he shouldn`t and it gets him into trouble, today he almost came to blows with another car after an overtaking maneuver that he didn`t need to risk at the time, if that had been a more aggressive driver like Alonso that he was trying to overtake then he would have been forced off the racing line and into the really wet part of the track and more than likely off the track itself and probably out of the world title race.
He should never have been in the position where with just 2 corners to go of the grand prix that he was throwing away the world title at the time, his team and car are far too good to be in that position, all he had toi do was finish 5th andf he should have comfortably done that in a McLaren.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"I think this is what most non-fans don't get about F1.....
Look, Hamilton may be a good driver, but ultimately the fact he is in the best car is the major factor, so why all the glory for Swiss Lewis? (or whoever happens to win).
Let's be honest, however good Swiss Lewis is, if me and him had a race, and he was in a Ford Fiesta, and I was in a Porsche, I reckon I'd whoop his candyass, which would make me World Champ??..
'" Heikki kovalainen has been in the same car as Lewis and has been poor this season, you obviously don't watch the sport so don't make ridicules comments on it you just look stupid.
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| Quote ="TrentBarrett"Heikki kovalainen has been in the same car as Lewis and has been poor this season, you obviously don't watch the sport so don't make ridicules comments on it you just look stupid.'"
The same car??...Bloomin' heck, I ain't surprised he's struggled if him and Swiss Lewis have been riding tandem all year!!
Big kudos to Hamilton then for taking the title...I never realised the true extent of his disadvantage, compared to Ferrari.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"But again, it comes down to the car....If ALL the drivers were in the same car would Swiss Lewis still come out on top??
Damon Hill once won the title, beating Schumacher, yet let's be honest, Hill wasn't fit to wipe the German's backside....it was down to the car.
My main gripe isn't against Swiss Lewis personally, its the superstar status these guys attain, when its actually the car doing all the work.'"
Then how come 2 guys from the same team with the same car can finish so far apart in a race.
The car is only as good as its driver.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"But again, it comes down to the car....If ALL the drivers were in the same car would Swiss Lewis still come out on top??
Damon Hill once won the title, beating Schumacher, yet let's be honest, Hill wasn't fit to wipe the German's backside....it was down to the car.
My main gripe isn't against Swiss Lewis personally, its the superstar status these guys attain, when its actually the car doing all the work.'"
Utter bo$$ocks. if so, what happened to Kovalainen? If the car did all the work, we would have Ferrari's & Mercs 1-2 every race. Kovalainen has done sod all in that car so the driver must have some input. What about Alonso? Pound for pound, he is the best driver out there, give him a decent car and unfortunately, he will blow them all away. Alonso has being getting consistent results in a crap renault and his team mate cant even make the top 10 shoot outs for pole usually. The driver has a big say in the car - he sets the thing up for one!
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| Quote ="wire forever"Utter bo$$ocks. if so, what happened to Kovalainen? If the car did all the work, we would have Ferrari's & Mercs 1-2 every race. Kovalainen has done sod all in that car so the driver must have some input. What about Alonso? Pound for pound, he is the best driver out there, give him a decent car and unfortunately, he will blow them all away. Alonso has being getting consistent results in a crap renault and his team mate cant even make the top 10 shoot outs for pole usually. The driver has a big say in the car - he sets the thing up for one!'"
So Alonso is actually the real Champ??...I'm confused...
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"So Alonso is actually the real Champ??...I'm confused...
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