Not really, he stopped passing to him, and then he got replaced by Pomeroy.

The list was as good as I expected

Ropati, roper and thornily

I find it quite amusing, no [ivery[/i amusing, that people are urging us to throw money at a player most dismissed two years ago as not being good enough, can't time a pass, no pace, never puts his winger away etc. etc.

I hope we keep Toby, he is still improving but if he goes and we can find another centre who can catch a high crossfield bomb then we won't notice much difference.

As for recent (ish) centres who are [ifar[/i superior, off the top of my head ....... King, Bridge, Hiku, Gleeson, Kohe-Love, Atkins. And even the likes of the much derided Rhys Evans would have a shout too. Further back, Bateman, Duane, Ropati, Rudd, Blake, Vagana .......... point made

I have seen all those in action. King hardly covered himself in glory in his first season and was an Aussie international. Bridge and Gleason were way ahead of him in age/development. If you think King is only about catching high kicks then I wonder what you are seeing. Rudd...should have been great but wasn’t. Hiku a few appearances against lowly opposition. As for R Evans you have to be joking.
I’m not saying he is the messiah but he is the stand out centre in SL this season and improving.

It's one thing to compare to past players, it's more relevant to compare to current talent pool and in the same breath, those that are/could be available. You wont get a better utility back than Mamo currently and he's also OOC, if it's an out and centre we're going to have to look at the potential departures from each club (aside from buying someone) Dunno how up to date this is www.seriousaboutrl.com/every-player-off ... club-38516 but there's potentially Jake Connor who is at a decent level for a straight swap in, but wont be cheap

It's one thing to compare to past players, it's more relevant to compare to current talent pool and in the same breath, those that are/could be available. You wont get a better utility back than Mamo currently and he's also OOC, if it's an out and centre we're going to have to look at the potential departures from each club (aside from buying someone) Dunno how up to date this is www.seriousaboutrl.com/every-player-off ... club-38516 but there's potentially Jake Connor who is at a decent level for a straight swap in, but wont be cheap

Those who dismissed him 2 years ago were just wrong. Rhys Evans? Wow.

Absolutely this.

It's Thorniley. Big Joe Ro was ace and Tony T was my hero although he sullied his reputation for me by grassing on a fan in the away end at Widnes. Roper was class and should have been better than what he was. I've enjoyed this tonight, see you in another 2 years.

As I've pointed out on here many times before some people are so keen on having an edgy opinion, and on being right they make declarative absolute statements and can't admit when they're wrong.

Rhys Evans was a flop, therefore Toby was going to be as well. And it was only down to them coming through our academy

It depends on the alternatives available and what the knock on effects are for the salary cap elsewhere of giving him a big deal. There are other holes in the squad and if we end up getting beaten out to top line prop or halfback because we'd used up cap on King it doesn't look so good.

I think he's good and one of our better Academy products, but not a once in a generation player worth breaking the bank for. I also think its odd that this bidding war is supposedly against Hull KR, Catalans and Huddersfield. Where are Saints, Wigan and Leeds in the bidding?

Other than the fact that we are in contract negotiations with Toby, we don't really know what is happening. And your competitors will always make a bid for your best players simply because it forces you to pay more.

But I suppose it gives us something to argue about.

That's an interesting list which stretches the definition of 20 years somewhat. Missing in action are Gleeson and Toa.

No doubt one of your other personas will make an appearance in the meantime.

I thought Saints were supposed to be in for him, I'd be surprised if he isn't on the Aussie's radar like Gildart has been but may be a bit early for TK.

What a horrible job ... balancing the books in a Salary Cap sport. I do not envy them.

the knives are already out for Fitzy on twitter over this

"why hasn't this been sorted, why have we allowed it to get last 12 months"

I'm gonna guess Covid has knackered revenue, the reduction in Sky money this year, and the uncertainty of a TV deal going forward probably played a big part, that may be why we've got so many players coming off contract this year, we may have had one eye on this .

Aren't gildart and King the same age?

It's surprising that saints are in for him at all, considering how we keep getting told how they have an academy and bring players through, like lomax, makinson, roby(2004) bentley, walmsley and regan grace.

I more meant that Gildart has been on the radar rather longer, I haven’t bothered looking up their ages!

As I said elsewhere, they have the best players in every position.

Ps I don’t like Bentley who comes across as a Bateman (J not A) wannabe.

They can't take the credit for walmsley, they signed him from batley!!

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Controversial opinion, but he's better than Bateman. Nearly 70 tackles in the Grand Final last year with two broken ribs. Played the full 80 and yet he was the only one chasing the ball at the end other than Welsby. He gets in every starting 13 in Super League. I'm amazed the NRL clubs weren't circling for him. His injury has come at a bad time for him as I think he'd have had a long list of offers and a nice pay rise coming his way and a World Cup spot.

How come he hasn’t signed a new deal at Saints yet or has he?