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| Disgraceful. Hopefully someone witnessed it and contacts the police. Hope for a quick and full recovery
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| Get well soon pal.
If the RFL approach us about hosting next years national league final,id tell them to shove it.
They can stay in the mickey mouse league and stage it at leigh or widnes.
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| Hemmings kept talking about the fighting but understandably they didn't show any.
I went to the finals in 2008 and remember a gang of Salford fans kicking off on the stewards and throwing beer at a family of Crusaders fans.
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| Heard today that it did all kick off outside the ground last night and a few people were injuired.
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| Get well soon
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| Quote ="Urmston Wire"Hemmings kept talking about the fighting but understandably they didn't show any.
I went to the finals in 2008 and remember a gang of Salford fans kicking off on the stewards and throwing beer at a family of Crusaders fans.'"
Hemmings probably kept talking over and over about the SAME fighting as apart from some ugly threatening taunts and the usual "lets have a go at the stewards coz we're ed" there was I belive only 1 fight in the ground that the security and police sorted out. Unfortunately its very difficult for the club to do anything about what goes on outside the ground. Thats when its down to the police.
Like everybody else I'd wanna wish this guy a speedy recovery. You can have your local rivalries where the atmosphere can get a little bit heated, but this has got nothing to do with rugby.....its pure idiotic, mindless, violent thuggery!!!!
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| Surely someone must of seen the incident, its a disgrace to our game, we dont need it, they should be banned for life if caught, hope the Fax fan has a speedy recovery.
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| as i posted on the fax forum i was sat on the coach next to him and a few of my mates and we was all looking forward to the game was in high spirits and as we got onto the pitch fev thought was ok to try run on for a fight...after the game there was a group of about 6 waiting round by all the coaches shouting w***y halifax and looking for trouble looks like the poor guy got caught up in it all
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| yorkshire people are so uncouth.
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| Quote ="mikej"Hemmings probably kept talking over and over about the SAME fighting as apart from some ugly threatening taunts and the usual "lets have a go at the stewards coz we're vexed" there was I belive only 1 fight in the ground that the security and police sorted out. Unfortunately its very difficult for the club to do anything about what goes on outside the ground. Thats when its down to the police.
Like everybody else I'd wanna wish this guy a speedy recovery. You can have your local rivalries where the atmosphere can get a little bit heated, but this has got nothing to do with rugby.....its pure idiotic, mindless, violent thuggery!!!!'"
There was fights breaking out quite often last night during the 3rd game a steward was nicked and I saw a policeman get clobbed around the head that guys feet didn't touch he was in the fax (east stand) 2nd half
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| Quote ="Canary_Wire"Get well soon pal.
If the RFL approach us about hosting next years national league final,id tell them to shove it.
They can stay in the mickey mouse league and stage it at leigh or widnes.'"
why should we do that?
there was 6 teams playing there yesterday so why should they all suffer because of maybe 1 or 2 of the teams that can't behave?
I wish the Halifax suppporter a very speedy recovery and hope to God that whoever was reponsible is brought to justice pretty damn quick.
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| TBH whilst you can never condone this sort of incident it (and the Wembley occurance) needs to be put into perspective. Many more people went to the game and left without incident.
Alcohol fuelled violence* is not unique to RL but is a society issue, and incidents like this unfortunately were/will be repeated in town/city centres every weekend envening.
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| scum of the earth who ever did this. wish the halifax fan a speedy recovery
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| So why not ban alcohol sales at the ground? We repeatedly hear we are a family sport and the HJ a family stadium, so make it more welcoming to families by removing the cause of 99% of the trouble seen?
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| Alcohol sales in the ground no doubt generate some much needed revenue for the clubs, and admission prices may have to rise if it was banned.
More supporters would drink to excess prior to the game, leading to issues either with refused/delayed admittance (i.e. even more people leaving the Rodney etc 5 mins before kickoff) and trouble outside, or drunken fools inside the ground, so no difference there.
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| good idea, but you get people drinking more before they went into the stadium, there were fev and fax fans outside the rodney at 12.30 yesyerday when i drove past, thats 5 hours drinking time,
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| Was there last night and during the evacuation some fev fans were trying to get on to the pitch to get at the fax fans. Some fax fans were goading the fev fans from the pitch. When fax got transferred in to the east stand a group were fighting with stewards and the police. Some idiots from both sets of supporters (very much in the minority I might add) who spoiled the occasion for the proper fans. On another note got told at the game last night that u guys have signed Zak hardacre from fev. 18 yr old winger, rapid, scored two last night and has about 20 from 14 appearances this season. Looks like an exciting young prospect.
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| Quote ="magic piano"So why not ban alcohol sales at the ground? We repeatedly hear we are a family sport and the HJ a family stadium, so make it more welcoming to families by removing the cause of 99% of the trouble seen?'"
I think it's about time you declared your religious beliefs. I'm guessing a Methodist? Definitely a god botherer.
Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't you (or some other likeminded zealot) complain about my avatar in 2008 as it featured an image that looked a bit like Jesus in a dogs ?
If you don't want to drink alcohol then fine but why do you seek to stop others enjoying a perfectly legal pasttime?
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| Quote ="Wires71"I think it's about time you declared your religious beliefs. I'm guessing a Methodist? Definitely a god botherer.
Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't you (or some other likeminded zealot) complain about my avatar in 2008 as it featured an image that looked a bit like Jesus in a dogs booty?
If you don't want to drink alcohol then fine but why do you seek to stop others enjoying a perfectly legal pasttime?
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i agree!
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| Quote ="magic piano"So why not ban alcohol sales at the ground? We repeatedly hear we are a family sport and the HJ a family stadium, so make it more welcoming to families by removing the cause of 99% of the trouble seen?'" Banning drinking in the ground wouldn't solve any problems at all.
Lets put things into perspective, its a very small minority of people who cause trouble at our games, it is an even small minority of people who carry out awful attacks like witnessed yesterday. If drink is to blame for them causing trouble banning drinking in the ground will do little or nothing to stop it happening, people will drink before the game anyway and if they were that set on getting drunk would I'm sure find time for a few extra pints before heading to the ground.
Most fans can drink at the games with no trouble at all so by banning drinking in the ground you would be punishing all for the actions of a minority and most likely reducing the revenue coming into clubs from drink sales.
The individuals causing problems should be dealt with appropriately as problems arise rather than using generalised solutions such as banning alcohol.
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| Quote ="magic piano"So why not ban alcohol sales at the ground? We repeatedly hear we are a family sport and the HJ a family stadium, so make it more welcoming to families by removing the cause of 99% of the trouble seen?'"
So those of us who can drink responsibly bear the consequences of the idiot minority?
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| Beer doesn't kill people rappers do. Or something of that ilk.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat". On another note got told at the game last night that u guys have signed Zak hardacre from fev. 18 yr old winger, rapid, scored two last night and has about 20 from 14 appearances this season. Looks like an exciting young prospect.'"
i wouldnt mind that. but until its proven, means nothing!
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| Quote ="Wires71"I think it's about time you declared your religious beliefs. I'm guessing a Methodist? Definitely a god botherer.
Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't you (or some other likeminded zealot) complain about my avatar in 2008 as it featured an image that looked a bit like Jesus in a dogs booty?
If you don't want to drink alcohol then fine but why do you seek to stop others enjoying a perfectly legal pasttime?
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Sorry for expressing an opinion that offends you - but hey I guess that's the beauty of being able to express opinions that upset the cliques... For what it's worth (though I see it as no relevance whatsoever - and while you're so keen on trawling through previous posts, you can probably find where I declare my religious beliefs, not that it's anyone else's business...) I'm not a Methodist, I like a drink as much as the next person, but I work in an environment where I see the affects of excessive alcohol both in an anti-social environment & in the context of the damage it does to people young & old. I have formed my opinions on that, on the people I have known killed or seriously injured as a result of alcohol and on the states of people (including family members) I have picked up from the streets after attending sporting events.
Maybe the club would lose revenue from the sales of alcohol but maybe more families would be inclined to watch the match at the ground offsetting that loss? Yes the pubs would have more people drinking in them, but the rate that pubs are closing down that may help their business and will allow police & security staff to deal with them in smaller locations than 8-10,000 in the stadium.
I'm delighted for those who can hold their drink, who know when to stop or who don't feel the need to get tanked up to watch a match - perhaps you would be happy to explain how you don't think there is a problem at the HJ to the family of the lad from Halifax currently in Walton Hospital waiting to see if he lives or not?
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| Yours seems to be a very idealistic view. Banning alcohol in the ground wouldn't stop trouble. If people are set to cause trouble they will. They will rush in more pints in a shorter amount of time to get suitably tanked up before they head into the ground - the chances of the outcome being any different are slim.
If someone arrives in the pub at 12.30 ready for an early evening kick off they can drink a fair amount in that time if they are that way inclined, the few they would possibly miss in the ground would do nothing to counter the problem realistically. And of course we all know there are ways around getting drink into ground anyway.
On the other hand you have your family who go to the game together, arrive slightly before kick off Dad isn't driving so decides to have a drink? why shouldn't he?
I'm going to the grand final on Saturday and me and thousands of others will have a drink or 3 with no problems. Yes you will get some idiots (drink fuelled or not) but its up to the stewards and police to take swift action to stop problems. Punishing the masses won't solve anything.
Unfortunatly people get injured as a result of drink related violence on a regular basis but I am assuming you wouldn't call for an outright ban on alcohol so why after one incident are you calling for it banning at grounds?
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