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| Quote ="Saddened!"I've not said they can't or won't? It's a cup semi final and a derby and all it takes is a couple of tries from kicks, a Field/French runaway or two or a red card and they'll win. I'm not one of those posters that claim Saints are unbeatable, never have been.
Outside of Field and French, their squad is about all the same level. If they rest Bibby are you going to notice? If they rest Partington, Smithies, Byrne, Thornley, Shorrocks, Ellis, Singleton, Isa, Mago etc etc is anyone going to notice? The kids/squad players they would bring in will be at the same level anyway and nothing to worry about. I don't see Wigan resting anyone against you. They have the backup of Field and French, so it's less risky than if they just had one of them. If they get a few scores up (or down) they might sub a couple early though.'"
Good God! You post some crap! At least you're consistent. Would we miss Farrell? Yes...and so would any team he played for including yours. Do we miss Leuluai? Absolutely we do. Did we miss Marshall while he was out recently? Without a shadow of a doubt. Ellis the same. Who are these young players that we could bring in that would seamlessly cover for Cust, Bateman or Havard? That's on top of French and Field as you have already admitted to. I could go on but I already feel like I've wasted enough time on your drivel.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Good God! You post some crap! At least you're consistent. Would we miss Farrell? Yes...and so would any team he played for including yours. Do we miss Leuluai? Absolutely we do. Did we miss Marshall while he was out recently? Without a shadow of a doubt. Ellis the same. Who are these young players that we could bring in that would seamlessly cover for Cust, Bateman or Havard? That's on top of French and Field as you have already admitted to. I could go on but I already feel like I've wasted enough time on your drivel.'"
I don't agree, why do you feel the need to throw the insults about like that? Marshall is bang average, I didn't even know he was missing. Miski doesn't offer anything less, nor does Bibby if you play him on the wing, he looks 40 just like Marshall. Halsall covers your centres and wingers and there's no significant drop if he plays over any of them is there. Farrell is a very solid player, I respect him, but your forwards are the same, they all tackle well and they all offer pretty little with the ball. I'll give you Farrell though, rest him with Field, even though I didn't list him to start with.
Bateman has been average, he's not an elite level player any more. Any of your young forwards cover for him. Smith covers for Cust easily (Both very slow, limited halfbacks) and you're Wigan. You're not telling me you're academy halfback is far behind Cust? I don't believe you if you do say that.
Havard is Bulgaria's best ever player, but he's only 21 himself. Byrne, Partington, Mago and Ellis as a four would be fine. Havard is probably the pick of those five (As he's 21 with a much higher potential), but it's close between all of them.
But be honest, you've taken the entirety of my post as a criticism haven't you? It's not (entirely) as your senior academy will be full of players at Super League level. So I stand by my point, outside of Field and French (And I'll give you Farrell) there isn't anyone Wigan need to wrap in cotton wool and worry about.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I don't agree, why do you feel the need to throw the insults about like that? Marshall is bang average, I didn't even know he was missing. Miski doesn't offer anything less, nor does Bibby if you play him on the wing, he looks 40 just like Marshall. Halsall covers your centres and wingers and there's no significant drop if he plays over any of them is there. Farrell is a very solid player, I respect him, but your forwards are the same, they all tackle well and they all offer pretty little with the ball. I'll give you Farrell though, rest him with Field, even though I didn't list him to start with.
Bateman has been average, he's not an elite level player any more. Any of your young forwards cover for him. Smith covers for Cust easily (Both very slow, limited halfbacks) and you're Wigan. You're not telling me you're academy halfback is far behind Cust? I don't believe you if you do say that.
Havard is Bulgaria's best ever player, but he's only 21 himself. Byrne, Partington, Mago and Ellis as a four would be fine. Havard is probably the pick of those five (As he's 21 with a much higher potential), but it's close between all of them.
But be honest, you've taken the entirety of my post as a criticism haven't you? It's not (entirely) as your senior academy will be full of players at Super League level. So I stand by my point, outside of Field and French (And I'll give you Farrell) there isn't anyone Wigan need to wrap in cotton wool and worry about.'"
No mate, I've taken your post as the ill informed crap it is. This latest post just proves it further. Let's start at the top.
Marshall is our best winger. Comfortably. So much so he's just been included in the current England squad.
Halsall covers one centre, not both. He's good but he's not that good. It's an either/or.
Farrell offers nothing with the ball? Arguably the best line runner in Superleague offers nothing? I'll just laugh at that one. It's all it deserves.
Bateman had a poor season last year but has been good this. You could claim that we wouldn't miss his 100+ metres per game of course as I could claim you wouldn't miss Walmsley's 100+ per game too. Both statements would be utter crap. Thankfully only one of us is dumb enough to make such a statement.
Smith covers for Cust? Smith is already playing! Mind you having one player cover 2 positions seems to be a theme of this drivel. I'll just laugh again. It saves time.
Havard is our biggest metre maker in the front row. Of course we wouldn't miss him. I'm sure you wouldn't miss yours either. You're an idiot. Partington isn't as good and Mago is a short minutes player so no, those 4 wouldn't be "fine".
As for throwing insults, I rarely feel the need. I'm happy to make an exception for a complete fool who actually seems to believe the nonsense he posts. You follow Wigan around to all our opponents forums to post this garbage. If you are upset by being called out try giving it a rest. I know you won't though as your clearly obsessed.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"
Farrell offers nothing with the ball? Arguably the best line runner in Superleague offers nothing? I'll just laugh at that one. It's all it deserves.
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As an aside, I think Farrell is the most underrated player in SL. Always a huge thorn in our side. Great player.
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| Saddened and phuzzy, you've both had your say, any more replies will be deleted.
Move on please or take it to pm's,the Wigan board or redvee
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| Quote ="Jack Napier"As an aside, I think Farrell is the most underrated player in SL. Always a huge thorn in our side. Great player.'"
I disagree underrated, but I get your point. He be first pick for me in a England shirt in the back row.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Saddened and phuzzy, you've both had your say, any more replies will be deleted.
Move on please or take it to pm's,the Wigan board or redvee'"
Hear hear, name calling and insults are not on. It's supposed to be entertainment.
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| The young Wakefield winger Lewis Murphy, looks a very promising player, from what I saw in last night`s game versus Huddersfield.
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| Talking of TV games anyone see the Wakefield v Huddersfield game last night? From a Wakefield perspective if only Poching had convinced Trinity that they were playing us
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"Talking of TV games anyone see the Wakefield v Huddersfield game last night? From a Wakefield perspective if only Poching had convinced Trinity that they were playing us'"
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"i didn't realise their form had dropped off a cliff after us'"
Oh yes, no idea why it can't all be to us being rank bad, although we were, as that would be a tad disingenuous, they played well (three games on the bounce now including last season away). I think they thought they were building now all their thoughts are on a relegation scrap.
Fine margins btw I agree with Boss Hog I also like the look of Murphy the young winger
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"Oh yes, no idea why it can't all be to us being rank bad, although we were, as that would be a tad disingenuous, they played well (three games on the bounce now including last season away). I think they thought they were building now all their thoughts are on a relegation scrap.
Fine margins btw I agree with Boss Hog I also like the look of Murphy the young winger'"
A name to watch for a wing prospect is Josh Lynch, currently playing for Wire Academy.
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| Quote ="Jack Napier"As an aside, I think Farrell is the most underrated player in SL. Always a huge thorn in our side. Great player.'"
Showed it again last night mate. Apparently offers "nothing" though according to some.
It's a tough one for you guys at the moment as, on paper, you have enough in your side to be expecting far more than you're getting. While it's true the pack is weak, it seems to go deeper than that. Team unity just isn't there. It's easy to see from the transformation in us from last season to this just how important that is. The question is whether it's the players or the club?
Our players copped a lot of stick last year but the same players are playing well this. Harry Smith being a great example. The change seems to be predominantly coming from the top, in particular Matty Peet. I guess the question for yourselves is whether Darryl Powell is the man to drive a similar change at Warrington. He came in at the same time as Peet and has made a similar amount of signings yet has had nowhere near the same impact.
Early days yet, and still time to turn it around, even for the remainder of this season but the 2 tough games coming up are probably make or break.
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| Farrell must be the first name on the Wigan team sheet . Top player ,gives everything & sets a great example.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"i didn't realise their form had dropped off a cliff after us'"
I’d argue they had no form until they played us.
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| I mentioned after our game last week, that Wigan looked sharper than they have for a while. They've carried on where they left off against us, and it can't be any coincidence that a switch has been flicked sine Hardaker left.
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| Peet and wane are very defensive minded coaches, does the current Wigan attack show briers was just used to put cones out n carry water under price ? Was just in there coaching cust who was listening and has been playing really well recently.? Very annoying if so
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"Peet and wane are very defensive minded coaches, does the current Wigan attack show briers was just used to put cones out n carry water under price ? Was just in there coaching cust who was listening and has been playing really well recently.? Very annoying if so'"
I questioned many times what was Briers doing when we couldn’t score if we were the only team on the pitch. Think it kind of answers your question because Wigan playing well in attack now.
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| That was an excellent game.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"How much weaker can it get? If you take Field and French out they are worse than Leeds. There is no one in their team worth resting other than those two.'"
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| Well done Wigan.
I thought that you has blown it in the second half, but great try from Marshall who showed tremendous pace.
Congratulations Lee Briers.
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| Great game, any neutral watching that should be a lifelong fan.
That's twice Saints have rolled the dice with an injury in a CC game and its cost them. Over to you codface.
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| Redvee slating the the young scrum half making him the scapegoat, he however didn’t throw a wild pass into touch or throw a wild pass along the floor to loose the game.
Hurrell and Lomax seemingly untouchable.
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| After the Lord mayor's show! I fear a ones sided final, whoever Wigan play. At least Wigan haven't got to wembley - clutches LP
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| Wigan have impressed me lately. I think they could be real grand final contenders. especially since Dodd and now possibly Lomax could be out injured for a while. Most of their squad man for man is probably no better than ours. But they play as a team and have a steely spirit. You notice this when they score a try.
Our team is the complete opposite. Little team spirit. If we were playing today and went behind like Wigan did in the second half we would have caved in.
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