Top drawer debating

Powell was brought in to change the culture and deliver a GF. People may say he has done the former but to me unless he wins the GF then he hasn't done the former correctly. In a few months he will have virtually been here 2 years and he has not even shown a glimpse of turning us into a team with a killer instinct. That is what teams who win GFs have. We still do not as evidenced today. Seasons end, no GF? Get shut.

The reason I'm not wasting my time is that, without wishing to be rude, I find you a little obtuse. And therefore, I'm not going to debate with you when you don't seem to be able to comprehend points I'm trying to make via the examples I've given. Ie. That any new coach for any new club needs a reasonable amount of time to structure the side etc. (without going into detail). The most successful clubs and sides which have shown considerable improvement, have generally allowed their coaches ample time to coach their sides and not knee jerked into sacking their coach too early due to a poor run of form.

By the way, I'm not saying Powell is the right coach although I'm backing him. My main point is that any new coach should be given a reasonable amount of time and a year and half is not long enough in my view, given the fact that we've shown some promise and lie joint top midway through the season.

Anyway, enjoy the night Moe Syslak.

The 3 things I've come to realise in the last couple of weeks are...
1. Powell isn't good enough to win a GF.
2. Schofield is a nonce
3. Gazwire is still a weapon.

See above.

Classy.

No, the one you're replacing that old man with. Duh.

I find this nonsense in a current SL perspective though. We were NOT a million miles away with Price (GF and CC first season). Now I agree something needed to change and culturally he may be onto something but the alarm bells are now ringing that we are losing Clark (he will run riot at Saints) and we are left with two unintelligent hookers in Dwyer and Walker.

We have no depth in the squad (well none that he is willing to sacrifice 2 points for) and we have Minikin and Dudson. We played well enough to win the game today but we don’t have the personnel and Powell is making the personnel weaker.

It's probably not a good idea to use your passport photo as your user identity.

Saints, the most successful team, have sacked THREE coaches who have won the title. They are ruthless, and that's why they keep winning. We're happy to have a guy who won nothing but made Castleford better than they used to be(oh, apart from the 90s when they won stuff!). Hope that wasn't obtuse

Wigan 80min motivation is “the Wigan way”
Saints 80min motivation is ‘never write off the Saints”
Wire 80min motivation is ‘cue in the rack after 20mins and 60mins falling in love with themselves.

Since Williams and Vaughan signed there extension to the club our form as dipped dramatically and so as there's also losing a prop and not replacing him hasn't helped..I could go on but would be here all night..

Yet Powell has been talking about wanting us to be an 80 minute team since week 1 and yet we are regressing further and further back to being a current 40 Min team at best.

Someone explain to me the logic of offering Vaughan a 2 year extension after 6 or so games? Whats his motivation now? He's got 2 years guaranteed. Its happened before with other players. Seems like really dumb management to me.

Vaughan put a shift in tonight. As did Williams. They are 2 players who don't deserve any criticism tonight.

Hull fan in peace. Why didn't Williams come out for the second half. If he did I don't remember seeing him.

Realistically??.... At the end of the season, when we can seriously review how the season has unfolded, or, at least, when we are out of the running for the play-offs.

When we are still in the mix near the top of the table, along with plenty of other inconsistent sides, is far too early in my humble opinion and yes, people are morons for even considering doing so.

Well done Moe, you've managed to locate the O section in the dictionary.

Which three coaches are you referring to?

A few weeks ago the excuses for playing crap were 'well at least we're 4 points clear at the top' last week it was 'well we're 2 points clear at the top' and now its 'we're joint top' so we've obviously been on a slide and yet we absolutely SHOULDN'T be. People don't need to 'see where we end up at the end of the season' lol. We can see it from here as easy as we saw Hull doing us in at half time.

And when the new boss comes in and inevitably loses a couple of games on the bounce, do we sack him and get someone else in then?

Hanley and Millward would be 2. But I’m struggling on the third…

Woolf left after getting an NRL deal (won 3x SL titles)
Holbrook left after getting an NRL deal (won 1x SL title)
Cunningham was sacked but didn’t win a title
Brown left after getting an NRL deal (won 1x SL title)
Simmons was sacked but didn’t win a title (end of the 5 in a row)
Potter left after his contract expired, then joined Bradford (middle of the 5 in a row)
Anderson left after getting an NRL deal (won 1x SL title, start of the 5 in a row)
Millward was sacked (non performance related - rumoured misconduct), (won 2x SL titles)
Hanley was sacked (non performance related - tried to sell key players including Cunningham), (won 1x SL title)
McRae left after his contract expired and then joined Gateshead thunder (won 1x SL title; Super League 1)

Surely you must remember Swifty running back and clearing him out!!!

It just goes to show ,if you want silverware watch Saints.

I think one of the problems with rugby league in general is the lack of money in the game . Not necessarily for enticing imports but for funding a proper route from schoolboy/girl level through to top level sport. We have a wealth of aging players who have to be recycled between clubs & maybe the best we can hope for is to sign the right mix for success like Leigh seem to have done so far this season.

Thanks Magic Superbeatle.

I wonder if Moe Syslak or Lefty goldblatt (who liked the initial post claiming 3 coaches were dismissed) could clarify who the 3rd St Helens coach was who lost his position after winning a Grand Final(s)..?