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Some great points raised on this thread. All the more reason why it is vital we invest as much as we can into youth development both at the club and within the town. Hopefully everyone will be aware of the Sport England RFL funding cuts which have made it very difficult for the Foundation to continue their excellent community development programmes across the borough. They are now seeking alternative funding streams including the assistance of the Supporters Trust.
As a fan there are various ways we can all help but the very simplest way (that will give you direct benefits back too) is to join the Trust or referably SqB too.
www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... pite_cuts/
www.squadbuilder.co.uk/wwstwhat.asp
www.squadbuilder.co.uk/sqbwhat.asp
www.squadbuilder.co.uk/newsstory.asp?news_id=252
The more members we get, the more we can help the Foundation and the Club build on the excellent youth development work of the past few years.
If you are a committed Wire fan - are you a Trust or SqB member? If not, why?
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Some great points raised on this thread. All the more reason why it is vital we invest as much as we can into youth development both at the club and within the town. Hopefully everyone will be aware of the Sport England RFL funding cuts which have made it very difficult for the Foundation to continue their excellent community development programmes across the borough. They are now seeking alternative funding streams including the assistance of the Supporters Trust.
As a fan there are various ways we can all help but the very simplest way (that will give you direct benefits back too) is to join the Trust or referably SqB too.
www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... pite_cuts/
www.squadbuilder.co.uk/wwstwhat.asp
www.squadbuilder.co.uk/sqbwhat.asp
www.squadbuilder.co.uk/newsstory.asp?news_id=252
The more members we get, the more we can help the Foundation and the Club build on the excellent youth development work of the past few years.
If you are a committed Wire fan - are you a Trust or SqB member? If not, why?
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| Quote ="BobWire"You are all missing a generation out in the middle. It isn't going to be currie who replaces Westwood it will be Grix then Currie will replace Grix. It won't be Evans to replace Morley, it will be Hill and Evans will fill Hill's vacant position. The point is we have players who can step up another level with out it being a huge jump. They will become our leaders. The kids will fill the vacant spots left.'"
Not Quite.
Lets assume, just for the sake of argument, that we have the identical squad in 2014 as this year. The only difference is that Morley decides to retire and current top dog Ben Evans returns. By your argument, Morley is 'replaced' by Hill (no problem) and Woody or Coops replaces Hill, whilst Evans starts to learn his trade with a modest number of starts. Much as I love Woody, he is not as good as Hill (England international), so we have lost some quality in the squad. And Evans is only just starting out, he is not going to become an experienced prop overnight. If you carry that argument across several positions where we have 'ageing rock stars' then the effect is magnified. So the point Sally is making is that yes, we may well have a good team, but not necessarily a silverware winning team.
My point is very similar. But I am looking where we can replace 'like with like'. Outside the club, quality seems to be falling (and Oz too expensive). The likes of Ben Evans need several years (like Myler) to mature, and even then, he may not be as good as Hill. So our youngsters are not sufficiently developed as yet to even know if they will be as good as our star players, let alone replace them. GOB has had the most SL exposure of our youngsters. If he replaces Briers next year, will we have the same quality team ? And Ratchford can not be in two places at once. If you use him at half, who will replace Bret ?
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| replacing the morleys, westwoods, monaghans will be done the same way they were originally recruited.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"replacing the morleys, westwoods, monaghans will be done the same way they were originally recruited.
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That's just shocking, are you seriously asking us to believe that players will change their club just for money ?
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"That's just shocking, are you seriously asking us to believe that players will change their club just for money ?
pah !'"
i agree... its a bit far fetched... but its worth a try
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"i agree... its a bit far fetched... but its worth a try'"
But just supposing, totally hypothetically of course because it's a ludicrous idea, but if we were to tap up a top star like Ryan Bailey. How much would he wan't ?
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"But just supposing, totally hypothetically of course because it's a ludicrous idea, but if we were to tap up a top star like Ryan Bailey. How much would he wan't ?'"
top players like that with loads of grand final winners rings are probably a bit out of our reach tbh.
some things money just cant buy.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"top players like that with loads of grand final winners rings are probably a bit out of our reach tbh.
some things money just cant buy.'"
I was just starting to get a bit excited there for a minute.
Now you have ruined it all.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"But just supposing, totally hypothetically of course because it's a ludicrous idea, but if we were to tap up a top star like Ryan Bailey. How much would he wan't ?'"
His bail money?
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| in three years time we could easily line-up as follows:
1. Ratchford
2. Riley
3. Bridge
4. Atkins
5. Evans
6. Marshall
7. Myler
8. Hill
9. Clarke
10. Westwood
11. Currie
12. Grix
13. Harrison
14. Dwyer
15. Cooper
16. Laithwaite
17. Evans
For me that would be plenty good enough to win trophies.
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| Where's O'Brien in your team?
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Where's O'Brien in your team?'"
Dual-reg with Swinton. Benji Marshall will need resting occasionally what with being 32 years old.
But seriously with only two new signings then somebody such as O'Brien could be struggling for a spot. Goes to show despite what people like to say perhaps we're not so badly off going forward.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Dual-reg with Swinton. Benji Marshall will need resting occasionally what with being 32 years old.
But seriously with only two new signings then somebody such as O'Brien could be struggling for a spot. Goes to show despite what people like to say perhaps we're not so badly off going forward.'"
You can't just assume we will buy Benji Marshall and then say 'it just goes to show were not badly off' And Laithwaite is BR not a prop. You would need Benion or perhaps Morrison if we stay in house. Where is my current favourite James Saltonstall ?
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"You can't just assume we will buy Benji Marshall and then say 'it just goes to show were not badly off' And Laithwaite is BR not a prop. You would need Benion or perhaps Morrison if we stay in house. Where is my current favourite James Saltonstall ?'"
Where have I said Laithwaite is a prop? Cooper and Evans inter-change props.
When we do sign Benji Marshall just remember where you heard it first.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"in three years time we could easily line-up as follows:
9. Clarke
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For a career swansong?
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| With all this talk of replacing like for like, or preferably better, don't forget all SL teams are in the same boat. A lack of quality Aussies will mean teams will rely more and more on bringing youngsters through their ranks, which I actually think we are now pretty good at. This may need to supplemented with picking up the odd player from lower divisions (e.g. Hill).
Overall standards may fall but does it matter?
I personally get enjoyment from a close exciting game, and the odd player error can in many cases enhance this.
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| As good as Marshall may be id rather see 0'Brien come through he for me is lee,s natural succesor,as ive said in an earlier post we often big up our youngters what is the point if we dont play them??????.before anyone beats me down on this i dont mean feed them in like we did against salford and london either.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"For a career swansong?'"
He means the young Castleford hooker. I have a feeling he may be Leeds bound, he is a good player, although he can be "a little difficult"
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He means the young Castleford hooker. I have a feeling he may be Leeds bound, he is a good player, although he can be "a little difficult"'"
Deary me....apart from not giving TANCW the benefit, you ruined my post about never going back
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| We have enough people 'serving apprenticeships' to keep going as we are. Williams, O'Brien and Evans (when fit) are out playing in the top level.
Dwyer and Currie have had game time, and probably will again throughout this season in sections. Laithwaite has 4/5 games in SL with HKR.
Blythe could (should we require him) come back, and for his age has a lot of experience. McCarthy and Cooper have played in the top level for a number of years and tasted the big game atmosphere.
1. Ratchford
2. Riley
3. Evans
4. Atkins
5. Williams/Saltonstall/Ormsby
6. Myler
7. O'Brien
8. Hill
9. Dwyer
10. Cooper
11. Grix
12. Currie
13. Laithwaite
14. Mendika (sp.)
15. McCarthy
16. Evans
17. Harrison
Not a bad team, considering it will be drip fed as we lose the old guard one by one. No doubt there will be more names that are emerging to, to be the 'next Currie' but my knowledge of the under 19's is limited. But Bennion and Morrison seem to be moving forward, and Danny Bridge seemed to have a big future.
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"Deary me....apart from not giving TANCW the benefit, you ruined my post about never going back'"
No, I really thought he expected Jon Clarke to be back. Honest. Daryl Clark wouldn't be a bad choice.
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| I think, when you look at this 'ageing team' thing a bit closer.... The problem only seems to be with fans from other clubs.
Its no coincidence that the clubs supported by said fans are having a real problem holding onto their players....
It goes something like this.
[uWarrington Scenario (club A)[/u
* Player A signs on 3 year contract aged 27 at top of game.
* Player A plays for 3 years and excels at club.
* Player A signs extension at Warrington.
* Player A goes onto more success and proves to still be a top player.
* Player A leaves club when the time is right for all concerned
* Warrington either replace from within or bring in top player B from outside the club
[uClub B scenario[/u
* Player A signs 3 year contract
* Player A plays well at club for duration of contract (sometimes... sometimes just one year)
* Player A then leaves club and moves onto another club.. possibly the one thats bottom of the league.
* Club cannot find adequate replacement for player A so they either recruit sub standard foreign player or play a player from youth team a year or 2 ahead of schedule, reducing team quality.
* Everyone at club B agree the departing player was rubbish and too old anyway.
* Fans of club B all roundly condem warringtons ageing squad.
* Fans of club B state that due to the financial climate and NRL salaries, there will be no more decent players coming over from the NRL.
* Warrington sign decent NRL player still at/near top of game
[size=200* WARRINGTON ARE CHEATS... SALARY CAP, SALARY CAP...AAGGGHHHHH... ITS NOT FAIR[/size
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| talking about our aging team, this one'll mess with your head a bit, chris riley is eligible for a testimonial in two years time if he's still here.
Thats a bit mad that.
iirc, i think he made his debut away at huddersfield july/august time just after the joey deal had been announced and we went on our wobble before he arrived.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"talking about our aging team, this one'll mess with your head a bit, chris riley is eligible for a testimonial in two years time if he's still here.
Thats a bit mad that.'"
Indeed, especially as I can still remember watching him play for Woolston as a 15yr old and thinking then I was sure he'd make it to SL level. Makes me feel old! Also mad is the thought that Lee Briers is 4 years off a 2nd testimonial! Is that completely unrealistic? After all, Menzies is still going at 40 and he plays in the forwards.
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| Lee is still light years ahead of everyone else in the competition so no, I wouldn't think a second testimonial is too unbelievable. Can't believe it's coming up to Riley's testimonial already!
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