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| I think he has been a standout performer in the side. He's shown some of our pack how to put a big hit in defensively. His contract is up at the end of the season and I would hope that we offer him a new deal before another club does.
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| I too hope he gets another contract. Or else Toulouse or Catalans may come calling.
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| Goes in hard, and puts himself about a bit.
The new Guissett?
Perhaps a few of our "pack" could take a leaf out of his book.
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| Doing great so far would like a tad more in attack but his big hits are a hi light of the games
If he does not get a new contract will be very disappointing and a strange desision too !!
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| Amazing what a big hit does do lift the team.
until Jullien's recent run in the team It's only been Clark who seems to know how to tackle hard. everyone else seems to just wrap hold of opposition. Nice to see someone visibly going out to try and smash someone. Teams are having a field day with our pack at the minute.
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| ...and Westwood
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| Quote ="moving on..."Amazing what a big hit does do lift the team.
until Jullien's recent run in the team It's only been Clark who seems to know how to tackle hard. everyone else seems to just wrap hold of opposition. Nice to see someone visibly going out to try and smash someone. Teams are having a field day with our pack at the minute.'"
Not only lifts the team, but, just as importantly lifts the crowd which may in turn lift the team....
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| Bit like a young Gary Mercer?
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| Gary Mercer, never rated him as a forward.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Gary Mercer, never rated him as a forward.'"
Hard tackling centre though.
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| He wasn't on long but Savellio made a difference when he came on. Julienn & Philbin both seem to be coming on in leaps & bounds though.
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| Indeed. Philbin looks to be coming on brilliantly this year and seems to run his weight. Which is more than can be said for a lot of the forwards in out team at the minute.
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| Quote ="moving on..."Indeed. Philbin looks to be coming on brilliantly this year and seems to run his weight. Which is more than can be said for a lot of the forwards in out team at the minute.'"
Good point about Philbin. Was it really necessary to add the final sentence though?
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Good point about Philbin. Was it really necessary to add the final sentence though?'"
Good lord, are we such delicate flowers on here?
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| Quote ="Wires71"Good lord, are we such delicate flowers on here?'"
Not at all, just finding your constant negativity wearing...when I read the first sentence I was going to check if I had misread who the poster was. The second sentence resolved the issue.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Bit like a young Gary Mercer?'"
More like Ian Potter, possibly the best tackling forward I've seen in the P & B.
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| Quote ="moving on..."Indeed. Philbin looks to be coming on brilliantly this year and seems to run his weight. Which is more than can be said for a lot of the forwards in out team at the minute.'"
He more than runs his weight if that's possible and without me getting my O Level Physics books out of the loft where they are at last of some use providing insulation where my lagging is missing? He actually seems to accelerate at impact, very heartening to see and difficult to stop
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| He had a year in Oz before he joined us and I suspect they taught him to tackle.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Not at all, just finding your constant negativity wearing...when I read the first sentence I was going to check if I had misread who the poster was. The second sentence resolved the issue.'"
Suggest you read it again. It was "moving on..." who made the "negative" post to which you refer whereas I started the positive topic. LOL.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Suggest you read it again. It was "moving on..." who made the "negative" post to which you refer whereas I started the positive topic. LOL.
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My apologies, guess I'm more delicate than I thought!
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Good point about Philbin. Was it really necessary to add the final sentence though?'"
It was yes because it's the truth.
There are bigger blokes in out pack with more weight and greater experience who run the ball in half d, make contact and hit the floor. Philbin and Jullien at the moment are showing players like Sims, Cooper and G. King how to take a ball in and how to put a shot on.
It's not negativity at all, it's the truth. Your mentality of "Why can't we just focus on the positives?" Is the very reason why we haven't won a GF yet. Do you think Wigan, Saints and Leeds are happy with scraping wins, but "That's ok because we played ok in patches." The answer is no. Their fans and the club demand more and that's why they've got to where they are.
Yes the Easter period is taxing but we're extremely lucky we've played two of the worst teams teams in the league and one of the most inconsistent. Whether you want to face the facts or not, We've played absolutely garbage with a few individual performances scraping us through.
So yes, it does need mentioning. Because until People start waking up the drivel that is being served up not just at our club but others too, Warrington and SL will continue to underperform and under achieve compared to the top clubs like Wigan, Saints and Leeds and the top league that is the NRL.
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| Quote ="moving on..."It was yes because it's the truth.
There are bigger blokes in out pack with more weight and greater experience who run the ball in half d, make contact and hit the floor. Philbin and Jullien at the moment are showing players like Sims, Cooper and G. King how to take a ball in and how to put a shot on.
It's not negativity at all, it's the truth. Your mentality of "Why can't we just focus on the positives?" Is the very reason why we haven't won a GF yet. Do you think Wigan, Saints and Leeds are happy with scraping wins, but "That's ok because we played ok in patches." The answer is no. Their fans and the club demand more and that's why they've got to where they are.
Yes the Easter period is taxing but we're extremely lucky we've played two of the worst teams teams in the league and one of the most inconsistent. Whether you want to face the facts or not, We've played absolutely garbage with a few individual performances scraping us through.
So yes, it does need mentioning. Because until People start waking up the drivel that is being served up not just at our club but others too, Warrington and SL will continue to underperform and under achieve compared to the top clubs like Wigan, Saints and Leeds and the top league that is the NRL.'"
I'm with you bud and in particular the last paragraph, perfectly sums up SL this season
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| Do we have 2 George Kings as the one I have been watching is playing well and making yards as and when he plays. Also I do agree with some of your comments Moving On, but to say they only make contact and hit the floor is actually what they are asked to do. If you ask Clarke or Dwyer they will say that they make more yards of Sims and Coopers drives than Hill's as the play the ball is quicker and creates more space for him. It may be just a case of you want them to push through the line more but Smith wants them to hit the floor and get a quick play.
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| Quote ="moving on..."It was yes because it's the truth.
There are bigger blokes in out pack with more weight and greater experience who run the ball in half d, make contact and hit the floor. Philbin and Jullien at the moment are showing players like Sims, Cooper and G. King how to take a ball in and how to put a shot on.
It's not negativity at all, it's the truth. Your mentality of "Why can't we just focus on the positives?" Is the very reason why we haven't won a GF yet. Do you think Wigan, Saints and Leeds are happy with scraping wins, but "That's ok because we played ok in patches." The answer is no. Their fans and the club demand more and that's why they've got to where they are.
Yes the Easter period is taxing but we're extremely lucky we've played two of the worst teams teams in the league and one of the most inconsistent. Whether you want to face the facts or not, We've played absolutely garbage with a few individual performances scraping us through.
So yes, it does need mentioning. Because until People start waking up the drivel that is being served up not just at our club but others too, Warrington and SL will continue to underperform and under achieve compared to the top clubs like Wigan, Saints and Leeds and the top league that is the NRL.'"
You have totally misunderstood me. My point was you have any number of posts emphasising the bad points, they would have far more impact (in my opinion) if you occasionally were able to make a purely positive point. I challenge you to find a post from me where I say "just focus on the positives" or anything to that effect.
You seem to think that great insight is needed to realise we are not playing well and that the general standards of Super League have plummeted. It is absolutely clear that that is the case. It is also clear that this is at least in part due to the Salary Cap which was meant to make playing standards equal, which to an extent it has...unfortunately it has dragged the wealthier clubs down rather than raise the less wealthy up.
But it strikes me you don't live in the real world but rather some rugby league nirvana where a club can sign any player it wants, where players are super human and don't suffer injuries or a loss of form and Warrington are entitled to win everything. If anyone needs to wake up its you.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"You have totally misunderstood me. My point was you have any number of posts emphasising the bad points, they would have far more impact (in my opinion) if you occasionally were able to make a purely positive point.'"
Why? this is a forum for discussion on our club. You acknowledge we aren't playing well so why gloss over it? Tell it how it is.
Quote ="Captain Hook"But it strikes me you don't live in the real world but rather some rugby league nirvana where a club can sign any player it wants, where players are super human and don't suffer injuries or a loss of form and Warrington are entitled to win everything. If anyone needs to wake up its you.'"
What has any of that got to do with what I said? I said clubs like Wigan Saints and Leeds strive for perfection and won't accept anything less. everyone from the chairman to the program seller is in a winning mentality. Here at Warrington there seems to be an atmosphere of "It doesn't matter as long as you try your best"
I never said we're entitled to win everything. No club is.
But what every club should have is expectations and standards.
Quote ="marshman777"Do we have 2 George Kings as the one I have been watching is playing well and making yards as and when he plays. Also I do agree with some of your comments Moving On, but to say they only make contact and hit the floor is actually what they are asked to do. If you ask Clarke or Dwyer they will say that they make more yards of Sims and Coopers drives than Hill's as the play the ball is quicker and creates more space for him. It may be just a case of you want them to push through the line more but Smith wants them to hit the floor and get a quick play.'"
G. King has picked up a tad I will admit.
And though you are correct about delivering a quick play the ball, however. You still have to win the collision. Making contact and hitting the floor is far less effective then hitting the opposition, keeping your momentum going, hitting the ground on your terms and getting up and playing the ball before the markers can get set.
At the minute, We're surrendering the tackle and the markers have the to stand up and get set before we can play the ball.
I guarantee you now Clark would prefer one maker on the floor or the markers not square any day of the week rather than simply a quick play the ball. A messy ruck is paradise for Daryl.
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