Chico, thanks for the summary - you've made it very clear to all (mind you there's none so blind as them as won't see!)

I've promised to donate via option 1 - and I appreciate it may be lost - What would be most helpful would be some form of statement from the RFL about these alleged investors, in particular what is their attitude towards a supporters trust, especially one which may well have paid off the winding up order and left them something to invest in!!

I hope that is not aimed specifically at me, there is enough backbiting and inane comments on here at present.
I would happily give my time to help the formation of a new club.
As for the options I will attend the Swinton game and any fund raising events that are held.

Not technically true. If you donate to FR your money will go towards paying off the current regimes 60k WuP bill exactly the same as option 1 only difference is, it's via another channel, allowing Mr Salford to trade again.

Having a say in where the money goes means nothing if your all for regime change due to the overwhelming majority of the votes will be trying to save Wilkys bacon.

And I see Bill Taylor with his snide remarks the other day backing The Bradshaws up, is this the same Bill Taylor in charge of Urban Vision at one point. Well well well talk about urining in the same pot.

Happy New Year folks get them donations in Mr Salford is waiting for his WUP to be paid. #mugs

Another flippant not needed comment.
A supporters trust

Christ we cant even act decently on the forum !!

It wasn't aimed at specific people.



No. There are two different pots here. Any money donated to the Trust can't be used to pay off another company's debt. It needs to be accounted for properly; a good cause in effect. That's why, I assume, the Foundation Appeal has been set up to circumnavigate that legislation for those that want to go down that route.

I have a question.

If we as [urlFANS[/url (I underline that as some seem to struggle with the concept of being a fan) raise the £60k and pay off the WUP but the club still goes to the wall will the people who would benefit most from the club going to the wall (IE the new owners) offer FR some form of debenture to show good faith for the fans efforts?

I know that this forum is monitored by the people who make the decisions and some form of gesture if this scenario were to transpire would be a wonderful indication that the fans voice is going to be heard and taken into account.

Or they could just pay Shirley more to keep Theo well fed on Lobster Thermidore and Verve Cliquot

I think a lot of people look to 12 months at Bradford Bulls and see £500 going the way of debts.
So what is the payoff?

The forever reds does seam the more reasonable route to go for those fans who do not wish to end up just paying off debts to then see the club fold anyway because of further outstanding liabilities.

However if one of the fund raising activities is a game I would treat that as slightly different to just donating money. If the money from a game goes to paying off debts, if it was my club in the mire, whilst the money may end up just paying off debts at the very least you get a game out of it, it's not like donating with no return.

As an outsider I would not wish it on any set of fans, but I can also understand the suspicions about donating money into a black hole.

It'd be an improvement on the diet of fray bentos pies, oven chips and processed peas with bisto gravy she gives him nowadays

Hey!! Don't knock it

he's not got that six pack & muscles eating that pasta & salad garbage

Hey!! Don't knock it

he's not got that six pack & muscles eating that pasta & salad garbage

Apologies if I've missed something whilst skipping through the turd on here, but has the online donation been sorted yet? Either PayPal or bank details for a transfer? If I leave it to writing a cheque I'll never sort it...

GT, hoping to have details for the account to set up the online donations before w/end. Will post on media sites as soon as I know, cheers

Sound, cheers Shirley.

Would you get in the cock club,now there is a question.

Darren is the founding member



I might even quote all their posts just so he has to read them

Hi Shirl,
If you put the account number and sort code of the donation account here then people could transfer money directly.
Can you - or any foundation member who knows - put the donation account details up here please? I guess that it's best for donations to be in place before Monday 7 January, and today is the last banking day before then.
If you don't think it's something you can share on the forum, could you pm the details to people who ask for them (I'm asking - I'm away from home and don't have access to my cheque book).
Thank you for all the work you've put in.

Sorry to intrude on your bad situation.

In answer to one of the posts- Salford has a lot of SL fans wishing the club well including me. But for the efforts of our chairman and new investors, we would have gone to the wall a long time ago given our losses.

Without even trying to look into what has gone on to get the club into the sorry mess it finds itself in, I find it astonishing that anyone could consider donating directly to the club at this time to help them fight the petition after what happened last at Bradford when £500k went down the swanie.

The chances of £60K saving the club in its present legal form given the scale of its debts (£1500K was sought not long ago) is remote and that is being kind.
There has been a lack of any clarity with what will happen next; paying off one petition will encourage other creditors to try to wind the club up surely?
Why hasn't a restructuring with a CVA considered or has it?
Someone asked on here why doesn't Peel pay off the £60K and I can't see if anyone has answered that? They own the stadium so will be asking themselves what is the point in having an empty stadium.

Remind me, I thought Bradford went bust and a new company was formed and was not kicked out of SL? Were they not given a 1 year probation period? I would have thought this was a positive precident?

I would have thought that if anyone deserves the money its FR - at least they can keep their powder dry and see what develops and perhaps emerge as a significant shareholder in either a NewCo or a reconstructed CVA co.

The Bradford situation was complicated by the role of Caisley, and the internecine shareholder strife. Whether the £500k would have saved the club had Caisley not intervened with the intent of sacking the board, without then producing a viable alternative of his own (leading so many to assume, rightly or wrongly, that Caisley wanted to pick up the club for a song from an administrator of his choosing), we will never know. My personal view is that it probably WOULD have -at least for a year or so - but it would not have solved the underlying issues, and ongoing mediocrity and continuing internecine strife would have been a certainty.

Don't forget too that Bradford have been denied a large part of the Sky money for 2013, so the new owners will have to put in many hundreds of thousands from their own or other resources. I would assume THAT precedent would be followed too if Salford went into administration?

And also don't forget that the administrator at Bradford inexplicably sacked all the coaching staff and nearly all the non-playing staff shortly after his appointment. It took the Bullbuilder Hardship Fund, very much supported by Warrington and Huddersfield and various corporate sympathetic parties, to provide the financial support to those staff who carried on working for nothing that kept the club in being until a new owner manifested himself. Maybe that too would be a precedent an administrator at Salford would seek to follow?

As I warned all those who saw administration as an easy option at Bradford before it happened, be very careful guys what you wish for. Administration is horrible, with enduring consequences, and not a route to be considered lightly.

Wishing you well for the new season,that has been a bone of contention with a lot of supporters on here,are we just
collecting monies to pay the present incumbents debt,but at the moment we are just raising money,and in the fullness
of time that money will be used appropriately,in your post you say you would of gone under long ago without a new
chairman and investment,that is just what the majority of us want,

As posted on another topic, the fighting fund is being held independent of the club, and will only be used once we are clear if the club is in new hands, either an investor or post Administration. Fans from Bradford have been absolutely brilliant in sharing their experiences, good and bad, so we have learnt from their experiences. The fund will be used as and when it can do the most good and will be decided what it will be used for by the fans who have shown they care about our future. Great effort so far, and last nights event kicked off what we hope will be a series of fund raising events. Finally great to see the couple who travelled over from Bradford to help support the event.

I noticed the details are now out and about, nice one for sorting it. As it was, I chucked my currently intended donation in the buckets yesterday. Depending on the outcome of today's hearing and talks it'll have to wait until payday on Thursday now!

Say for instance the Dr fails to negotiate a package suitable for himself or his consortium. This leaves us with the WUP bill at £350k. Now, Say FR made the £60k they set out for to pay Pattens wages. This would be a ridiculous move IMO.

It would be pointless using the £60k on the Patten payment because there's another outstanding bill of £291k left to pay for the tax. So common sense tells me that the fundraising money would be best spent upon a reform which was my original recommendation 2 weeks ago to which was slated. So to pay Patten etc would see the money being thrown down a black hole.

The whole things hypothetical.
Lets just see what happens in reality and that will impact the status of the Winding Up Order.
With a bit of luck,we might then be able to talk about what's happening on the pitch

Philyourboots, how many times do people need to explain basic English to you? The fans will decide where the money is used, even you can have your say, just turn up at the meetings instead of sitting behind your key board. Use some energies you have for the good of the YOUR club. We are all just supporters trying to do our bit. If the supporters don't want to put into the present club then it will not happen end of.

Redgunner, in case you haven't noticed but there's an additional £291k what's been added to the WUP since the fundraising efforts. If you can do basic maths £60k leaves £290k left to pay meaning money thrown down a black hole.



Hopefully the doctor will buy and bring in his OWN people which would be perfect outcome for us all.