RW your second paragraph is spot on.

Your last paragraph is incorrect as I understand that Jordan Turner left due him being unable to work with our ex assistant coach(Jordan had signed for Hull FC unaware that the coach would be leaving at the end of the season)

I wonder what someone like Noble could get out of our current squad? he seems to be doing a good job getting the most out of a group of players pretty much on a par with our own, maybe he is more astute when formulating a game plan for each team they play where as we seem to do the same thing week in week out and this obviously makes us very predicatable. Rush defence for the first 4 tackels when we are in our own first quarter and then drop the wingers and full back as far back as possible as the long hoof downfield is standard fair.

I'd have prefered to see us chip the ball over the top a couple of times early on against Bradford in the hopes that it would put them in two minds as to what they need to expect at the end of each set of 6, we need J Smith in at dummy half after 25 minutes and then play Alker for the entire 2nd half in the back row and most importantly for me have Matty smith at 7 and then allow Houldsworth a free roaming role to go and do what he likes as he looks like our best attacking option. Also as said elsewhere playing Parker at prop is utter folly as he is never big enough, Cashmere, Boyle, Lou Lou and Sidlow are more than capable of covering the front row and if possible I think Lou Lou is the best to bring on with 10 minutes to go first half and run himself into the ground as he can be very destructive (I think a little motivation from the shed would fire Phil up as he seems the type who would feed of the positive energy).

Remember McRaes first game in charge ?
Possibly the worst game of RL ever a no try bore against Catalans.
Cue 3 years later a one try bore against Bradford.
In 3 years we have not improved and apart from the very very odd occassion when the game plan is thrown out of the window we still play the same boring predictable rugby.
No wonder crowds are down.
Alker being made assistant coach was the worst decision ever (cue the Alker brigade)
He has been captain of 3 relegated sides and surely the time was ripe to say thanks Malc but we need a change.
I would have kept Robbie on to do coaching at least he has been in winning teams.
You can give me all the statistics you want on Malc but the reality is he is too slow and the team are suffering because of it.
Teams must love playing us even we know all the plays.

My comment is valid. If the Coach had managed the situation then Turner would not have been in a position where he felt obliged to leave. As a Manager McRae should take control and has a reposnibility to prevent it. Naylor should not have made life so difficult for a youngster.

All the personal remarks about mcrae are well out of order. Yes hes not done/doing the best job in the world but leave out the personal stuff eh

We better watch out for legal action

Theres not many of the players like mcrae and even less like simms at the moment there is a bad atmosphere around the camp - fact

We are now in the"We are talking rubbish" state in that we have had an unnamed player, a young player in the first team squad being quoted.

Now we have another stab at McRae and Simms, can you name the players who have said that there is a bad atmosphere in the camp?Don't forget we went through this previously with other coaches and did it do any good?

From what I have seen when the players are together at training/rehab they appear to be happy in each others company and when asked their opinions of the poor start to the season they seem to want to turn it around.

I feel that the coach has not made the decisions that I would have made but I am not the coach and he is but some of the comments on here must be coming from primary school children, no they are too childish for that, sorry children.

How often do we squeeze the life out of anyone? We've won one Superleague game in the last 13.

Correct!

Rob we all know you like to look at the positives in everything we do and we all know you have this crazy idea that if we all believe that we'll win then our positive energy or whatever it is you always waffle on about will sweep across the pitch to our players and we'll start winning. Well I'm sorry sonny it just' doesn't wash with me, we don't "squeeze the life out of teams" like Iain says 1 super league win in our last 13 suggests we don't. If there was ever game we were going to squeeze the life out of a team Friday was it, and yet again we failed. The tactics are poor they were last season, they are this season there have been two perfect examples already this year.

The cross field bombs against Crusaders. All that well we had injured players out there doesn't wash with me either there were plenty of things defensively we could have tried. We could have moved Smith and Ratchfords positions in defence around so Ratchford was defending out wide with McGilvary and M.Smith was defending in the other centre with Broughton as it was clear they couldn't cope. He could have even moved Sibbit to defend in the centres and add a bit of height and if it didn't work at least he had tried something.

Onto the Bradford game, we were standing flat, not running onto the ball, that half backs were running sideways before they went forward, we did the same move from dummy half every time, where Alker/Smith would jump out and hit Swain/Sibbit/Sidlow on a drop off into the markers or if we were lucky the hooker would jump out of halfback show the ball in a dummy drop off then just drop the second man off instead. The halfbacks also seemed to go down the blindside a lot when we didn't have numbers. Twice in the second half Holdsworth jumped down the short side and fired a pass to Henry who came in on a good line only to be smashed and drop the ball. One key thing for me was the kicking game (yet again) why oh why didn't we try the little chip over it was on all the time I could see it from a mile off. Halley was standing deep as were the two wingers because they knew the ball would be coming right to them. If Ratchford or Holdworth just took the ball to the line had Fitzy following up and chipped a little one over the top I recon it could of worked or at worst at least put some doubt in the fullbacks mind so next time he didn't stand as deep and maybe we'd get a chance of kicking the ball and turning him.

I'm no super league coach don't get me wrong so I'm not going to go on anymore, but these are just of the little things that are so noticeable to me watching

Good post Ave it.

We are just so predictable its as if we must do this and then we must do that. No flair - nothing off the cuff. Its dull and frankly very tedious to watch. I said on another post that the opposition Coach only has to watch ONE video and he will be able to cover all eventualities.

This year we seem to have some young lads with a bit of awareness - Ratch, Gibson, Broughton, Matty, Houldsworth etc - yet its the same old drill - Alker in slo mo - 4 drives and then a hapless kick.

We deserve a lot better.

We are so predictable even Mystic Meg could predict how we are going to play.

Been the same since he came.
He is squeezing any flair and skill out of players with his slow run into the markers hopeful punt style of play.
Check how many games have been in won in SL with the slug in charge,it is shocking.

i have just watched (on another thread) when we beat wigan in the challenge cup in 1996 (14 years ago!!) . How i wish we could be anyway near as good as that at present

any chance we could persuade Mark Lee out of retirement

we did the basic things right i.e backing up and try to pass the ball when being tackled , grubber kicks near the try line etc. if only we could add some flair/quickness/initiative to our play (our defence was much improved against leeds and bradford) and with our squad im sorry but we should have this.My opinion is its not a case of a squad with limited resourses but a coaching set up not getting the best out of it as do wakefield , castleford,crusaders

etc.

I do feel this part of our games need improving, the lack of dummy runners is a concern but to be fair the same question could be where are all the support runners, the only difference between a dummy runner and a support runner is one gets the ball and one doesnt.

For me its more about players being "active" and "not active" in an attacking move do they feel they have enough in the tank (to run thou as a dummy runner, turn round run back (avoid being caught obstructing the next play of the ball) and get into position to be part of the next move) If your willing to give that extra 10% and get back on side and in position for the next play you will get your rewards in this area.



We are unable to complete the job as we cough up the ball in silly ways, or give penalities away unnessesarly, If they just concentrated on keeping the pressure on our opponents rather than releasing the pressure valve with a poor kick or a penality our success rate would be higher.

Teams do it to us all the time, they know we'll "bottle" it when push comes to shove because the players mentally struggle to handle the pressure of superleague rugby

In particular the campaign in the National League where we ground out results every week through our superior strength and fitness. I watched Barrow v Leigh last week and even though Barrow didnt play very well, they were ambitious in attack and spread the ball at every opportunity. Proved to be an entertaining game to watch.

Its all about not turning the ball over in silly areas of the field, play your sets out and force an error, when you get a chance take it, its simple (straight out of the Odsal Red school of coaching that one



).

Id take salford winning a dull uneventful match over salford losing a fast flowing entertaining game of Rugby league

I would take us just winning at the mo


13 games since a win paints it own sad story, boring rugby,no flair need I go on.
I carry on going in the hope that someday just someday we might come good.
McRae is really trying my patience though

Can't wait to hear another set of excuses.

The facts don't lie.......................WE ARE ROCK BOTTOM.................and deservedly so!!!

The club cannot afford to sack him, he should do the honourable thing and walk.

Sad to say that I cannot see a way out of this.

I'm embarassed by the ground, the support, and today, the performance of every single player.

Unfortunately the fans who care can only stand and watch, but this evening I'm very annoyed at what I have seen.

i didn't join in the boo's tonight because i dont think it helps any but the 2 games this season when you'd say we've got a great chance to win, the players just havn't performed. Ratchford has just gone backwards i think and holdsworth just doesn't seem the same player that i seen at hull kr and against celtic! Think his best position has got to be loose forward coz scrum half just isn't working for me!

It was not a good peformance. Mcrae does seriously need to consider if his role as coach is in the best interest of the club. I will however continue to support MY team 100 percent , unlike the utter shower of s@*t singing in the middle of the shed , how these people think that the songs they sing are clever , beneficial or influential are totally deluded. Support is what is needed , a young team low on confidence need our support through what is going to be a hard season.

COME ON REDS.

It would help if the rest of the team didn't stand watching him and tried running off him and giving him options.

i'm not having a go at him, i think he is a class player but doesn't seem to have much of an influence at scrum half! True about the players around him giving him options but he isn't running at the line much either trying to create something. Once again our kicking game was terrible.

You are following the wrong code if you want dull uneventful rugby