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| Quote ="Chester J Lampwick"Or indeed differing understandings of the meanings of words.'"
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| With all due respect to Michigan Red, he seems to posting more about benefits to himself rather than any benefits to Salford regarding this move. Mainly because there is nothing to benefit Salford. Sale are the only ones to benefit.
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| Quote ="Talent Spotter"With all due respect to Michigan Red, he seems to posting more about benefits to himself rather than any benefits to Salford regarding this move. Mainly because there is nothing to benefit Salford. Sale are the only ones to benefit.'"
I do see that pressure will be lifted from the club as to the profitability of the stadium. The more money generated from other revenue streams the quicker the whole enterprise becomes profitable.
If both Salford and Sale put pressure on the stadium management company then the likelyhood of the fans getting a bar onsite increases.
Even a brief look at how Sale are run would show even the most blinkered person they are much more professional, if even a tiny bit of this professionalism rubs off on the people running Salford it would be an improvement. While they might not physically be sharing offices onsite you can bet that there will by necessity be a certain amount of interaction between both clubs.
And I do honestly think that the RFL will look at Sale moving in with some trepidation (rightly or wrongly) and might feel compelled to assist Salford more with it's marketing and operating procedures.
And though I like Friday night games if Sale are playing home games on Fridays at the end of their season and the start of ours Salford might contemplate moving to a more traditional Sunday afternoon kick off which if what you read on here is correct would be most peoples prefered choice.
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| Maybe we should change our name to the Salford Sharks to appeal to Sale supporters. I never liked the name City Reds anyway.That was only an attempt to appeal to City and United fans anyway--------and that didnt work....
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| Quote ="Redfordanger"Maybe we should change our name to the Salford Sharks to appeal to Sale supporters. I never liked the name City Reds anyway.That was only an attempt to appeal to City and United fans anyway--------and that didnt work....'"
The sharks moniker is taking the michael. The damage has been done Salford are in freefall, rebrand the name to whatever, the fact of the matter remains. Until a new regime has been inserted a shlt is still a turd.
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| Whilst clutching at straws, as I understand that there were objections about the stadium being built resulting in a public enquiry and that there were concerns from local residents, was it passed that the stadium can operate 12 months of the year allowing for a professional sports team to play a game there virtually every week?
Bet some of the local residents are non too pleased.?
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| Quote ="Redfordanger"Maybe we should change our name to the Salford Sharks to appeal to Sale supporters. I never liked the name City Reds anyway.That was only an attempt to appeal to City and United fans anyway--------and that didnt work....'"
It had nothing to do with football, more to do with the RFL wanting all SL teams to be in a city, hence the reminder that Salford is the older city
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| If any one should be changing their name it should be sale.
Salford sale Giants or Greater Manchester Wanderers.
They have progressed as a club massively since the old days when they played at sale. It would be interesting to see where there supporters live in comparison to us. I would say most of our supporters either live or have a link to the city of Salford.
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| From the conversations I have had with Sale fans:
north Cheshire (as far away as Crewe) to south Manchester (especially the Didsbury/Heatons areas).
Oh, re a long away posted query, many have been to Rugby League matches and most of these have been to Salford.
Different sport. But rugby.
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| Also, if we are looking at the name, Sale are probably rebranding only to Sharks. The idea is to market and advertise as applying to all of the north-west up to beyond Preston.
Should go down well in Chinatown.
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| Quote It would be interesting to see where there supporters live in comparison to us'"
Allow me to help.
I'm a Sale Sharks fan living in Stockport.
I started watching them in 2003 when they moved to Edgeley Park.
The fans come from a pretty diverse area.
The lads I sit with are all from Stockport, we used to play rugby together.
The folks behind us travel up from south Cheshire.
The vast majority seen to be north Cheshire, Didsbury and the Heatons.
I know some people (season ticket holders) who travel down from Cumbria and others from the Fylde coast.
I think the furthest south season ticket holders come up from just south of Stoke.
East from Leeds and west from Bangor (the Welsh one !)
Many are involved in amateur rugby in the area, playing/coaching/refereeing, which is why we like Friday games.
I sincerely hope we'll all be able to rub along nicely together.
Some of the tension between Sharks fans and County fans stemmed from them not being able to draw a line between Brian Kennedy his holding company (Cheshire Sports) who own and run Edgeley Park and the ordinary everyday fans, who wished them every success both on and off the pitch.
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| Quote ="MikeGC"Allow me to help.
I'm a Sale Sharks fan living in Stockport.
I started watching them in 2003 when they moved to Edgeley Park.
The fans come from a pretty diverse area.
The lads I sit with are all from Stockport, we used to play rugby together.
The folks behind us travel up from south Cheshire.
The vast majority seen to be north Cheshire, Didsbury and the Heatons.
I know some people (season ticket holders) who travel down from Cumbria and others from the Fylde coast.
I think the furthest south season ticket holders come up from just south of Stoke.
East from Leeds and west from Bangor (the Welsh one !)
Many are involved in amateur rugby in the area, playing/coaching/refereeing, which is why we like Friday games.
I sincerely hope we'll all be able to rub along nicely together.
Some of the tension between Sharks fans and County fans stemmed from them not being able to draw a line between Brian Kennedy his holding company (Cheshire Sports) who own and run Edgeley Park and the ordinary everyday fans, who wished them every success both on and off the pitch.'"
Not a chance would i rub along with you lot,tell me why your lot would move to stockport and rub that proud football club into the ground,tell me why you lot won`t try to RUB my club into the ground.Your club as no affinity with Salford ,so why come here,in my eyes and my fellow Reds who go with me you are not wanted here.
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| mousey - well done have grasped my point exactly
WE, [uTHE SUPPORTERS[/u did none of the things rumoured by the County fans - we just supported our team
Any genuine argument would be with Cheshire Sports, Brian Kennedy or Brendan Elwood.
Brendan is the man who sold to Kennedy, retaining valuable assets which he then rented back to County.
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| I think it was only ever a matter of time before Sale moved in. Although only rumours, I remember hearing them back when we were supposed to be moving in 2006. I'd rather they didn't move in, because I feel that any potential new supporters, to either code, will end up watching Sale rather than us - and we definitely need all the new support we can get.
However, I don't think Sale moving in will be the be all and end all of Salford RLFC. The biggest threat to our existence is indeed ourselves, poorly ran from the top down. If we were a Wigan or Warrington for example, I don't think a Union team moving in would be such a big deal.
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| Quote ="MikeGC"mousey - well done have grasped my point exactly
WE, [uTHE SUPPORTERS[/u did none of the things rumoured by the County fans - we just supported our team
Any genuine argument would be with Cheshire Sports, Brian Kennedy or Brendan Elwood.
Brendan is the man who sold to Kennedy, retaining valuable assets which he then rented back to County.'"
I don`t like the way your sport operates,MIKEY,in my eyes your team and chairman took County for a ride,took that ground off them,what right did your club have to do that,your club as now thrown Stockport to the Wolves,ashamed,are you eck,ashamed about going to south africa in the height of apartheid,when every other sport had stopped going there,are you eck,ashamed about banning anybody from playing rugby league from even entering your clubhouses never mind playing your so called sport,appeasement with Nazis that rugby league should be banned everywhere in France and all their clubs should be burnt to the ground,all their assets stripped from them,and you want me to rub up to you lot,not a chance,i despise you lot for what you are,ashamed now,are you eck.
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| mitie mouse,
you are of course fully entitled to your opinion about the people who own the Sale Sharks "franchise". And it is obvious that some ludicrous mistakes were made in the past by the blazerati at the RFU. Although as a trialist with Leigh and Widnes as an 18 year old (in 1973) I was welcomed back into the clubhouse at my little local rugby club.
However, I came on your forum as a supporter of the team which will be sharing the stadium.
Please tell me what you think the supporters of Sale Sharks have done to the detriment of Stockport County.
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| Don`t answer a question with a question `,do you go along with the principles of your so called sport?
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| many years ago i played rugby union, one of the team had a Salford rugby league bag, we were asked to leave because of this, before we went i ask a question " why was the picture behind the bar of a scrum numbered 8,9, 10 in the front row" i got no answer the venue was Sale, there can tell the truth, but give their fans a chances to watch our game, there will never go back to kick and kick again.
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| Well cricket went to South Africa too...
If (I know you won't) read the autobiographies of the lads who went, they learnt a great deal. I personally wouldn't have gone. But I wasn't invited so that's an easy choice to make.
I've heard the stories from the second waorld war too, what that's got to do with rugby union in the UK, I don't know - should we have re-invaded France and smacked their collective bottom ?
You have to remember that, at the head of every sport there are entrenched opinions and those people work hard to preserve their privilege and status. As a player in those times I had no influence. As a supporter of a small northern club, I still have no influence. What more can I say.
I can't be held responsible for the misdemeanors of the old boys in charge (fo the RFU or Sale Sharks) and nor can I therefore feel ashamed of THEIR actions.
Anyhow - now you can tell me what the supporters did to disadvantage Stockport County
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| Quote ="MikeGC"Well cricket went to South Africa too...
So that makes the RFU right then?
....and nor can I therefore feel ashamed of THEIR actions.
Of course you can - I'm ashamed of Blair licking Bush's backside, praying together and invading Iraq
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| Quote ="Red John"Well, leaving aside the grapevine's well known reliability issues (remember Kevin Sinfield?) isn't the fact that the club aren't happy with the stadium a sign that they're aware of the problems? I'd be worried if the grapevine was telling you they think everything's great.'"
That quote has come directly from someone at the top of the club. Unfortunately I'm unable to say more publicly and I realise that this means it will be taken with a pinch of salt, particularly considering the way other "truths" appear on this forum and, indeed, across the internet.
Quote ="Red John"I'd say better than we could have hoped. We were written off by many people (including some of our own fans) at the start of the season. Also, we will likely finish the season with the second lowest average attendance in SL, yet we're in with a reasonable chance of a play off place. Better than we could have hoped, I think.'"
I'd agree with that actually. Although I think it's still a bit early to say we've got a reasonable chance of a play off place. There's some good teams around us who are yet to start firing. Let's just hope they don't.
Quote ="Red John"I agree ticket prices are too high, but you have to be careful here to avoid 'doing a Bradford'. I think we can agree that the club struggles for money. In order to keep the levels of income up at their current relatively pathetic levels, every pound you take off the ticket price has to be replaced by an increase in attendance of approximately 5% (not including money spent on peripherals, like programmes and the like). 5% of our current average attendance is around 250 people (probably a bit more). Could we guarantee that level of increase? Personally, I doubt it. So, the lost income would have to be replaced from somewhere, and that somewhere will no doubt be the directors who, despite what some people on here seem to think, don't appear to have bottomless pockets.'"
But why can we not guarantee an increase of around 5%? The reduction in price would attract more supporters straight off the bat, I know this as I know many personally who aren't in a position to commit to a season ticket or membership for one reason or another but then won't pay £20 per match. Make it more attractive for people to come in, cheaper admission, family offers (which we've started pushing for tomorrow) and so on then, providing the experience inside the ground is good, they will come back. Admittedly the last part has a lot to do with the team's performances but as we've already established that is already going the right way.
Quote ="Red John"Agreed, at least partly. The membership scheme started off as a reasonable idea because it allowed members to take other people along for half price. That seems to have gone this year, and the current scheme is a crock. It's not a sign that the club has been run badly for 30 years though is it?'"
I'm not sure I suggested that it was a sign of that? Just that it is a simple, short term improvement that can make one hell of a difference.
Quote ="Red John"How much of this is the club's fault? As you say further down, ticketing isn't in the club's hands. And the club aren't happy.'"
The club should be working closely alongside the SMC and Ticketline to make sure the system does what we want it to do, not just what we're told it's going to do. If members could buy advanced tickets then it would be of greater benefit to all interested parties. I'm not sure the SMC nor Ticketline are really willing to listen, though, which is a bit of a problem.
Quote ="Red John"Agreed, but a functioning web site costs money. And we haven't got any.'"
A functioning website does not cost that much money. If a semi-professional, non-league football club playing the seventh tier of English football on a shoestring budget can manage it then I'm pretty certain Salford could pull something out of the fire on this one.
Quote ="Red John"Yup. But then I've not experienced any problems in my dealings with the club.'"
You're lucky, then. I had the exact experience where, when enquiring about an email which had not been responded to, was told "sorry no one got back to you, we're not actually sure where that email address goes to." This is an email address that was advertised on the front of the online shop. Basic stuff which costs nothing to get right.
Quote ="Red John"Again, money. Taking someone from another department isn't always possible because the other department might not be able to spare them.'"
Again, I do agree on that, but it's very bad practice to have to shut the shop, particularly at a time of day which could be the only time most people are able to get there. I'm sure there must be someone, somewhere who would be able to go down and help out, even if it's not the same person each day.
Quote ="Red John"Again, was this the club or Ticketline?'"
The example that I posted on the thread, rather than just "season ticket sales" which you've selectively quoted? I'd imagine that was a club decision to close the East Stand, possibly in conjunction with the SMC. It will also have been the club who made the decision to sell season tickets in three stands.
Quote ="Red John"I'm still not convinced that Salford are a badly run club rather than a club run on a shoestring.'"
We'll differ on this again, then. I do agree that we're run on a shoestring, but I also feel that a lot of basic practice is being carried out poorly. We need to improve dramatically which can only help redress the financial hamstrings in the future.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"You could possibly be right, I never claim to be a literary genius.'"
In which case, allow me to help.
con·trite /kənˈtrīt/
Adjective: Feeling or expressing remorse or penitence; affected by guilt
Feel free to use Google next time. It works quite well as a dictionary.
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| Quote ="MikeGC"Well cricket went to South Africa too...
If (I know you won't) read the autobiographies of the lads who went, they learnt a great deal. I personally wouldn't have gone. But I wasn't invited so that's an easy choice to make.
I've heard the stories from the second waorld war too, what that's got to do with rugby union in the UK, I don't know - should we have re-invaded France and smacked their collective bottom ?
You have to remember that, at the head of every sport there are entrenched opinions and those people work hard to preserve their privilege and status. As a player in those times I had no influence. As a supporter of a small northern club, I still have no influence. What more can I say.
I can't be held responsible for the misdemeanors of the old boys in charge (fo the RFU or Sale Sharks) and nor can I therefore feel ashamed of THEIR actions.
Anyhow - now you can tell me what the supporters did to disadvantage Stockport County'"
People like you make me want to puke,it just about sums you people up,how the hell do you know what i`ve read,and what about the the people who died standing up for MY game,yes they was murdered in the name of you lot,don`t give me your shi'# them French rugby league folk will not die in vein.
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| Quote ="mitie mouse"People like you make me want to puke,it just about sums you people up,how the hell do you know what i`ve read,and what about the the people who died standing up for MY game,yes they was murdered in the name of you lot,don`t give me your shi'# them French rugby league folk will not die in vein.'"
Calm down mitie - remember many on here being Reds fanatics dont share your views on Salford matters never mind Sale.
Give the lad a chance - he came here in peace.
At the end of the day there are many who now enjoy both codes and I am sure once they have witnessed RL in the flesh the word will get round the Didsbury`s of this world.
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