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| Quote ="Red John"The marketing ideas you put in the rest of your post are the sort of things most of us would like to see. The point quoted above is why they don't happen. The club hasn't got much money and has chosen - correctly, in my opinion - to spend as much as it can on the squad in the hope that a winning team will bring fans in. The fact that it's still a relatively weak squad shows how little money the club has. The alternative that you seem to be suggesting - spend less on the squad and more on marketing - means, inevitably, a weaker squad, so you end up spending a lot of money marketing a team that's getting tonked every week (and, despite what you no doubt think, the current squad won't get tonked every week, only [imost[/i weeks). I doubt that any amount of marketing would bring people in to watch such an uncompetitive team.
So that's the problem. The club has no money to spend. You want to blame the chairman, the board, the CEO, whoever. For me, these are the people (the [ionly[/i people, unfortunately) who stand between us and oblivion, because they're having to put their own money in to keep the club afloat in the face of massive public indifference. It's the public indifference that's the problem: only 2800 people turned up to watch the first senior game at the new stadium. Salfordians don't seem to be too interested in the club, or the sport as a whole. I don't think any amount of bleating about the chairman is going to change that.'"
RedJohn i fully understand your views, but to be honest he hasn't attempted a single PR & Marketing stunt in many a year. It doesn't cost a fortune in his world does it.
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"RedJohn i fully understand your views, but to be honest he hasn't attempted a single PR & Marketing stunt in many a year. It doesn't cost a fortune in his world does it.'"
Many if the things you've suggested [ido[/i cost a fortune though, or at least a 'fortune' where Salford are concerned because they've virtually no money left for marketing. Even printing leaflets to hand out costs money. One of theh reasons for moving to the new stadium was to attract more money so they [ican[/i do some of the things you suggest. The money has to come from somewhere.
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| Quote ="Red John"Many if the things you've suggested [ido[/i cost a fortune though, or at least a 'fortune' where Salford are concerned because they've virtually no money left for marketing. Even printing leaflets to hand out costs money. One of theh reasons for moving to the new stadium was to attract more money so they [ican[/i do some of the things you suggest. The money has to come from somewhere.'"
As DI has already explained, you can't just keep using REASONS to provide the reasons why things are the way they are...
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| Well i spend a lot of time in the warrington area, their community programme puts us to shame. I know the wire are backed heavily in wealth but even stretching back a dacade or so when they were averaging 4000 attendances, they were always marketing and promoting the club heavily so i don't buy into your views john. Their's no excuse refraining from promoting your product.
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| Quote ="EX.SALF.UNI"As DI has already explained, you can't just keep using REASONS to provide the reasons why things are the way they are...'"
Well the love fest have brought Mr EX SALF PUNIVERSE as back up.
Talk about vendetta's
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"Well i spend a lot of time in the warrington area, their community programme puts us to shame. I know the wire are backed heavily in wealth but even stretching back a dacade or so when they were averaging 4000 attendances, they were always marketing and promoting the club heavily so i don't buy into your views john. Their's no excuse refraining from promoting your product.'"
They were marketing and promoting heavily and achieving 4k attendances? Another excellent point you've contradicted...
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"Well the love fest have brought Mr EX SALF PUNIVERSE as back up.
Talk about vendetta's'"
You fascinate me. I try to correct your ramblings but you have a weird habit of correcting yourself, then ignore your own reasoning.
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| At least they were out in the community, not like salford doing fookall.
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"At least they were out in the community, not like salford doing fookall.'"
Is that you throwing your hat in the ring as a community volunteer?
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| Quote I know we have JB working hard in the community'"
Quote At least they were out in the community, not like salford doing fookall'"
You can't beat DI for consistency
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"I have never once heard, read, seen a statement off Jaw regarding putting the club up for sale. I've heard in the past few years he is willing to step down IF, a younger enthusiastic businessman appeared on the scene to take over his reign. But he has never once put the club up for sale, so until he does we can't really take his comments seriously enough, we'll never know how much serious genuine interest is out there until he actually takes the club to market.'"
And there you have it folks. Because DI has never heard, read or seen a statement from JW (or an advertisement in the local Loot) it's not true.
You poor soul. You actually think the club would need to announce it "for sale" to ensure it found a buyer.... Dear me..how's McDonalds working out for you?
You really do live in a make believe dream world DI. I suspect your of average intelligence and therefore able to forge a few blind reasons (without proof) as to why all is not well.
When time and time again your arguments are exposed to be no better than your supposed support of the club itself. You really should not be allowed near a computer. You should be personally assed at your local mental health clinic if you believe the sale of a sporting entity is made public? Not until serious consideration has been given as to whether the interested party is suitable or serious in taking control of said sporting entity would it then be made public.
Getting back to you though. I question your alleged support of the club taking into consideration your constant DIvergent and opposite argumental mentality.
And if your support isn't In question then where just left with the conclusion that you have very little in the way of social face to face communication and or debate leading you here, posting unfounded, untrue, unsupportive billy b0llocks just to get attention. Being involved with club on a higher level than yourself really does show me just how far from the mark You actually are in so many ways.
They say knowledge is power. With that being the case DI. You my friend are the weakest link.....Goodbye.
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"Well i spend a lot of time in the warrington area, their community programme puts us to shame. I know the wire are backed heavily in wealth but even stretching back a dacade or so when they were averaging 4000 attendances, they were always marketing and promoting the club heavily so i don't buy into your views john. Their's no excuse refraining from promoting your product.'"
Again, I don't think you're being fair there. Unless you're talking about giving away free tickets (which Salford have tried) then the things Warrington were doing will have cost money, and Salford haven't got any so can't do the same. Simon Moran bought the club about a decade ago, and I guess the apparent increase in marketing would have been financed by him. Salford need a Simon Moran, but we haven't got one (yet).
Quote ="Dantes Inferno"At least they were out in the community, not like salford doing fookall.'"
But they aren't 'doing fookall'. By your own admission:
Quote ="Dantes Inferno"I know we have JB working hard in the community but he probably has enough on his plate locally'"
It's all down to money.
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I object to my taxpayer's money being spent on lube.
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"RedJohn i fully understand your views, but to be honest he hasn't attempted a single PR & Marketing stunt in many a year. It doesn't cost a fortune in his world does it.'"
And what world exaclty do YOU live in??? The more you say the more I think you just blurt out the first thing in your head. Please think about what you say before you mash away at the keyboard. There's no excuse,you have an unlimited amount of time to consider posting garbage like this.
Can you please tell me the net worth of JW or at least what you think it is? you give the impression you think he owe's his life and hard earned money to SCR's. Why ? Just becuase he's passionate doesnt mean he's stupid. He has to keep thing's balanced, and if he bankrupt's him self putting money into a business he control's and doesnt currently see a return from then the club itself (with time) will cease to exist!
To help you comprehend, think of it this way, if a business you control is losing money (which SCR's does) when do you call it a day when putting money into that business ? Do you carry on and stupidly put in more than you can afford ? and more than you will ever see a return from? I think everyone with a brain knows the answer to that, but just incase your unsure the answer is NO!
I'm sure JW would put endless amounts of money into the club given he had an endless amount's of money to give! And that's what you strugle to grasp, HE DOES NOT HAVE ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF MONEY, it's been pointed out to you for month's now in topic upon topic that we're lucky to have a club to support, as the chairman and the board are not making a profit from the business and have every right to pull what funding there is and put the club into administration.
So if you think things "dont cost allot in his world" tell us what sort of fortune you think he has? The fact is you have no idea and on that note you should cease posting your garbage.
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| Quote ="Lyrad Red".........and on that note you should cease posting your garbage.'"
NO! Don't stop him now, we'll have no-one to laugh at anymore! Let's face it, the intelligent ones on here already know that DI cannot be taken seriously and only respond to see what other priceless nuggets he comes up with. There's been some corkers so far, I'm sure there's lots more to come if we prod him in the right direction!
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| Quote ="Lyrad Red"And what world exaclty do YOU live in??? The more you say the more I think you just blurt out the first thing in your head. Please think about what you say before you mash away at the keyboard. There's no excuse,you have an unlimited amount of time to consider posting garbage like this.
Can you please tell me the net worth of JW or at least what you think it is? you give the impression you think he owe's his life and hard earned money to SCR's. Why ? Just becuase he's passionate doesnt mean he's stupid. He has to keep thing's balanced, and if he bankrupt's him self putting money into a business he control's and doesnt currently see a return from then the club itself (with time) will cease to exist!
To help you comprehend, think of it this way, if a business you control is losing money (which SCR's does) when do you call it a day when putting money into that business ? Do you carry on and stupidly put in more than you can afford ? and more than you will ever see a return from? I think everyone with a brain knows the answer to that, but just incase your unsure the answer is NO!
I'm sure JW would put endless amounts of money into the club given he had an endless amount's of money to give! And that's what you strugle to grasp, HE DOES NOT HAVE ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF MONEY, it's been pointed out to you for month's now in topic upon topic that we're lucky to have a club to support, as the chairman and the board are not making a profit from the business and have every right to pull what funding there is and put the club into administration.
So if you think things "dont cost allot in his world" tell us what sort of fortune you think he has? The fact is you have no idea and on that note you should cease posting your garbage.'"
Very well put and I have to say anyone who has progressed from Jack and Jill books would understand what you are saying.
It's very fair to say that as well as Salford pretty much most other rugby league clubs Chairmen and directors are in the same boat.After all why would you seriously want to throw money at a club where you will receive no assets in exchange and then have to continue funding what is a bottomless pit unless of course as Lyrad Red has rightly stated, they also have a bottomless pit.
Those people that do have to be admired and that's what makes them chairmen and directors and us mere spectators.It's easy to forget that when times are hard and easy to use these people as an excuse, that said they do have to accept that in certain circumstances it is their decisions that ultimatley take the clubs in a certain direction.
It wasn't all that long ago that John Wilkinson was the best thing since sliced bread way back when he was trying to build the club it's own new stadium,unfortunatly that was beyond him and his board but credit to the man for at least securing the next best thing.
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| Quote ="Always behind the sticks"NO! Don't stop him now, we'll have no-one to laugh at anymore! Let's face it, the intelligent ones on here already know that DI cannot be taken seriously and only respond to see what other priceless nuggets he comes up with. There's been some corkers so far, I'm sure there's lots more to come if we prod him in the right direction!'"
Love him or loathe him DI regularly shoots from the hip and some would say he's The Scarlet Turkeys No1 . . . . .
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| Well Lyrad Dikkhead is back having been reeled in again pouring his love fested heart out for the The Wilkie And Tarry Show.
Its amazing how your still up until 01.43am losing sleep, because of someone who knows very little about nothing. You remind me of an IJIT who lingers on this forum from time to time.
Also to put the record straight i do call myself a fan, and i'm certainly not out of touch like the hierachy. An 8000 average attendance looks massively out of touch, we cannnot even break 3000 for our 1st game at the new stadium.
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| Quote ="Lyrad Red"And what world exaclty do YOU live in??? The more you say the more I think you just blurt out the first thing in your head. Please think about what you say before you mash away at the keyboard. There's no excuse,you have an unlimited amount of time to consider posting garbage like this.
Can you please tell me the net worth of JW or at least what you think it is? you give the impression you think he owe's his life and hard earned money to SCR's. Why ? Just becuase he's passionate doesnt mean he's stupid. He has to keep thing's balanced, and if he bankrupt's him self putting money into a business he control's and doesnt currently see a return from then the club itself (with time) will cease to exist!
To help you comprehend, think of it this way, if a business you control is losing money (which SCR's does) when do you call it a day when putting money into that business ? Do you carry on and stupidly put in more than you can afford ? and more than you will ever see a return from? I think everyone with a brain knows the answer to that, but just incase your unsure the answer is NO!
I'm sure JW would put endless amounts of money into the club given he had an endless amount's of money to give! And that's what you strugle to grasp, HE DOES NOT HAVE ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF MONEY, it's been pointed out to you for month's now in topic upon topic that we're lucky to have a club to support, as the chairman and the board are not making a profit from the business and have every right to pull what funding there is and put the club into administration.
So if you think things "dont cost allot in his world" tell us what sort of fortune you think he has? The fact is you have no idea and on that note you should cease posting your garbage.'"
For Gods sake must you continually mention your deep boundless love for Tarry in every post , oh wait you don't I must have put Dantes Infernals glasses on by mistake.
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"we cannnot even break 3000 for our 1st game at the new stadium.'"
It was the highest attendance of the day - which also included a game between the Championship winning club and Hull KR with their reputed travelling hordes.
It was also on a re-arranged date which would have proved quite expensive if some fans were also taking in the
City v. United game;some may have been dragged to the sales and some may have preferred to stay away until the bigger event,when the season starts.
They may also have worked out that the coaching staff would display tactical nous when playing against a club
which has employed the coach of Castleford on two previous occasions,Ian Millward,and not give away any hints as to how the Reds will perform on February 4th - all he will have learned is that we were passionless and extremely poor.
I would have thought having the longest serving chairman/owner in Super League is something to celebrate.
There are worse situations for some rugby league supporters to be in than having a new stadium and a Super League club to follow.
The Facebook site stated a marketing campaign would commence this month.I don't think negativity on here will assist...
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| Quote ="SCR-SeaDiver"It was the highest attendance of the day - which also included a game between the Championship winning club and Hull KR with their reputed travelling hordes.
It was also on a re-arranged date which would have proved quite expensive if some fans were also taking in the
City v. United game;some may have been dragged to the sales and some may have preferred to stay away until the bigger event,when the season starts.
They may also have worked out that the coaching staff would display tactical nous when playing against a club
which has employed the coach of Castleford on two previous occasions,Ian Millward,and not give away any hints as to how the Reds will perform on February 4th - all he will have learned is that we were passionless and extremely poor.
I would have thought having the longest serving chairman/owner in Super League is something to celebrate.
There are worse situations for some rugby league supporters to be in than having a new stadium and a Super League club to follow.
The Facebook site stated a marketing campaign would commence this month.I don't think negativity on here will assist...'"
we played the kids at fev so there wasnt going to be a massive crowd but it was your first game in a new stadium against a team close by i thought it was a very poor turnout
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| Quote ="Dantes Inferno"Well Lyrad Dikkhead is back having been reeled in again pouring his love fested heart out for the The Wilkie And Tarry Show.'"
Haha quailty, reeled in again...No. Making you look like a 12 year old coming out with prepubescent insult's YES...
Like I said, knowledge is power, and you possess neither as EVERYONE on here has pointed out.
You can be praised for your consistency though, Coming out with $hit then being put right then correcting yourself is your most popular tactic.
As for the Tarry comment's I made..I didnt make any ?!
While your searching arond in your head for some half witted senseless comeback see if you can locate some common-sense, it may help you realise that all your attacks on the club are simply said to get attention. This can be proven by the fact that you will be putting your "hard-earned" cash into the likes of JW's and Tarry's pocket -the very people you claim to despise ?!
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| Quote ="Lyrad Red"Haha quailty, reeled in again...No. Making you look like a 12 year old coming out with prepubescent insult's YES...
Like I said, knowledge is power, and you possess neither as EVERYONE on here has pointed out.
You can be praised for your consistency though, Coming out with $hit then being put right then correcting yourself is your most popular tactic.
As for the Tarry comment's I made..I didnt make any ?!
While your searching arond in your head for some half witted senseless comeback see if you can locate some common-sense, it may help you realise that all your attacks on the club are simply said to get attention. This can be proven by the fact that you will be putting your "hard-earned" cash into the likes of JW's and Tarry's pocket -the very people you claim to despise ?!'"
I must say Lyrad Red you make a fair comment. "knowledge is power". Well that proves why T.W.A.T.S (The Wilky And Tarry Show) is bottom of the pile. My so called attacks on the club are observational facts that this club has been mismanaged to the core. Apart from Sean Long, the club has the word [size=150LOSERS[/size written all over it, stemmed by the leadership of your not very knowledgable and powerless king. They won't get another penny out of me.
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