Just read Pages 1-13 on this thread, some I agree with others I don't. I am a big Swinton fan and I have known years of adversity.
One thing that has kept me going watching the Lions is the knowledge that tomorrow may well be another day.

I am no fan of Mr Wilkinson since he chose the option to bar Swinton from The Rugby League alegedly, however in his defence he seems to have always been supportive of your club.

Maybe he got Mr Parrish's appointment wrong but I am sure he was well advised and did what he thought was the right thing for your club.

For all those people calling for his head, how many of them could buy him out.!!!

Answer probably none.

I think any Rugby Club has to be very lucky in it's appointments and I am sure one day you will get the right man, however now isn't the time to turn on your club, more than ever they need all the supporters backing and knowing the Reds fans that i do I feel sure you will.

As a swinton Fan who has ruffled a few feathers on here( notably Michigan Red) this post has takeb some writing.

Make sure your next coach is the right one.

I am one of the few on here who knows Parish and i warned everyone when i heard he had signed that he is a disaster waiting to happen, the bloke has done nothing as a coach except make lot's of enemies on the way.
Being a friend of Ricky Stuart is all he has going for him.

Quote ="RedUnderTheBed"Interesting comments about Steve Simms at the end of Andy Wilson's Guardian piece www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/no ... CMP=twt_gu'" Rewritten would say both would take the job if Steve simms was removed Let's hope the club do the decent thing....

Quote ="RedUnderTheBed"Interesting comments about Steve Simms at the end of Andy Wilson's Guardian piece www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/no ... CMP=twt_gu'" Rewritten would say both would take the job if Steve simms was removed Let's hope the club do the decent thing....

It seems some calmer heads are starting to make their feelings known and we're moving away from the excitable 'poisoned chalice' and 'laughing stock' types of comment (for a club that’s apparently a ‘laughing stock’, there doesn’t seem to be much laughing about it on the VT).

I agree with what Always Behind The Sticks says in another thread: this says as much about the man himself as it does about the club. Is this ‘poisoned chalice’ job as bad as coaching Crusaders was last season when the club (allegedly) weren’t paying players? Is it as bad as coaching Wakefield would have been at around this time last year when the club were in danger of going under and were offloading players to survive? Is it as bad as coaching Leigh during their season in Super League when the club was disintegrating in front of everyone’s eyes? I doubt the answer to any of these is yes, but Iestyn Harris, John Kear and Darren Abram respectively didn’t walk away (as I recall, Abram wanted to stay but couldn’t agree terms with the club).

Did the club suddenly become more incompetent at exactly the same time as he replaced Phil Veivers? Veivers seemed to be able to cope with the way things are, and had the integrity to stay on when Matt Parrish was appointed.

No. For me, this says a lot about the man himself.

Perhaps the traumas being displayed on this board stem from the fact he became a hero for some when he appeared to confirm what they’d already decided was true: that the club is a basket case. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. None of us can know for sure, but Matt Parrish was a godsend for them. However, John Wilkinson was interviewed on Radio Manchester about Parrish’s first outburst, and said that these apparent problems all required money to fix, and the club doesn’t have any. Nevertheless, Matt Parrish was given a free pass by some people on here to do things that previous coaches were berated for.

And now he’s walked away, showing he doesn’t have whatever it takes to see the job through. Admittedly, it might be tough job, but he’s walked away, confirming what some of the more cautious people on here have been saying for some time. In that respect, he’s no different to Homesick Hudson, except he gets that free pass.

And now he’s walked away, showing he doesn’t have whatever it takes to see the job through. Admittedly, it might be tough job, but he’s walked away, confirming what some of the more cautious people on here have been saying for some time. In that respect, he’s no different to Homesick Hudson, except he gets that free pass.
Exactly----no matter what, he shouldnt have just walked away!!!!!!
Cot , baby and spitting dummy springs to mind.

Red John & Oldhamred

Spot on - If there's 1 post that should remain amoungst nearly 14 pages of half thought thru attacks on the club and utter dribble, its this one - A Fair rounded overview of the situation.

Might I add knowing Matt personaly, that Matt and the board could not agree on the idea's Matt had, or the radical changes he had in mind, changes that the club didnt agree on, nor could possibly back financially.

I cant comment on these as I dont know what these changes were, but could probably guess that they were required changes Matt wanted to implement to see himself succesful.

If you look at it this way: If Michael Meguire had come to Salford instead of going to Wigan, he too would probably have left at the same time if not earlier. Although he was pretty much unheard of and not established, had he wanted to do what he's been able to do at Wigan, then it's obvious he would have been head butting a brick wall.

With that said maybe Matt tried to change to much to quickly, and got fed up. Then came to blow's with those responsible and those who didnt agree, and those who didnt tell him the truth to start with, the board.

So perhaps Matt should have done what (most) people on here seem to think he should of done, which was grind out and build up from bottom and make changes slowly.

Ddon't worry folks, another yes man will be in place shortly, and we can carry on happily ever after as if nothing has happened.

Phil Neal's rumoured to be in the running.

Here`s me thinking I was in a queue of 1 berating Parrish yet it seems that Red Johns eloquent post sums up a lot of feeling sbout the issue. Many forumites now seem to realise that he was not the right man at all for the job.

The usual suspects of course - Wardley, lance etc continue to attack JAW but can they find someone to take the club on? He is happy to sell and walk away - yet nobody is ever coming forward. Until someone does I would suggest their continued sniping should cease - or - we wont have a club at all!!!

Spot on

Do you honestly think he would just sell up to anyone and walk away without it being financially beneficial to himself? That's incredibly naive. And given the outlay he's made during his time in charge then he is probably entitled to ask for some form of return on his investment, though as almost everyone knows you don't take on a sporting venture to make money.

As other's have said, someone took on Wakefield despite their troubles so why wouldn't anyone be interested in buying us? You can't just say that "nobody is ever coming forward" without knowing exactly what he's asking for to relinquish control. There may have been plenty of people interested until they hear what he wants. He isn't going to tell us that he's turned down X, Y and Z is he, and neither does he have to.

All I'm trying to point out is that, IMO, the mere fact that we exist as a club shouldn't be used as some kind of badge of honour for the Wilky/Club defenders. That would be the minimum I would expect from any owner of any professional sporting club.

I think - at the moment - he would do a BIG deal with anybody interested in taking over. It wasnt `incredibly naive` but with Businesses everywhere in parlous states there are many `clever` arrangements available. Step forward Wardley, Lance & Yourself if you like. Wakefield by the way were bought without the long standing debt.

I thought that Matt Parish was a good choice of coach when we signed him, that was however until his first Forever Reds meeting when in my opinion he singled out certain players " As ones that he would not of signed" this immediately set alarm bells ringing as far as I was concerned to have said this to a group of people he had never seen before.

Will we ever get to know why he left,some people have read Neil Barker and take it for granted that what he says must be true, even though in two different editions of the MEN this week he had him staying in one and he had resigning in the other.

Some people have gone back to the status quo IE Simms out, Tarry out, sack the board will these people still shake the Chairman's hand whenever they meet?or will the repeat what they publish on here? I doubt it.

Better still will they put up some big money into the club to rectify the shortcomings that they continually highlight, I think not.

Perhaps Matt Parish viewed the Turkey and couldn't understand how so much hatred and at some times rubbish is published about the club by some of it's so called supporters he decided that he didn't want any part of it,we will never know.

Perhaps he saw items such as the one saying loot the club shop, some may think it was funny, I don't.

Perhaps he has some personal problems as Barker intimates that he may have but why believe this story?

Perhaps he couldn't stand the thought of blue seats, now that was serious wasn't it.

Honestly can't believe people are STILL sticking up for the club!!!

We've just lost a coach that told us how unprofessional an outfit we are on the pitch (which we've known for years) also in the admin department! The club backed a has been in SM which totally undone all the hard work done by KR. MP came in said he wanted change and people to embrace the change and work with him! Ultimately this didn't happen; he felt very aggrieved and upped sticks! Now I'm not saying he was the best coach we've had but what I will say he took pride in his work and genuinely wanted the help the Salford cause. I for one am deeply upset he has gone and await the next coach to bows to Simms greatness. Every slogging Parish saying he hasn't got the dog's danglers for the job, should look at the real issues, love is definitely blind in some case on this website

So if you're not financially able to step in and buy the club yourself, you should just shut up and accept everything that happens, regardless?

Of course Parrish didn't have the cojones for the job.
Easiest thing in the world is to come in,slam certain players and the management.
His heart wasn't in it.
One post from someone who says he knows him said he was an accident waiting to happen and that's how it felt from the start.
Do we really think that because he said the place wasn't up to standard that it gives him an out.
He was an unemployed Aussie with no previous record of achievement just spouting off

BonitaRed you've ....

I would have said the easiest thing in the world would be to come in and see how badly the club is being run (in his eyes) but then just sit back and take the money and keep quiet about it all.

At least he's had the balls to raise issues that he saw fit as needing to be acted upon, not all of them needing money too apparently. Appears he has trodden on a few toes and they don't like that at all. Can't upset the cosy boys club in the boardroom though can we? How dare the outspoken aussie that they chose to hire actually be outspoken.

No GT there is a big difference between `criticising the Board` & `demanding they go`. I was referring to the latter. If they are to go then they have to be replaced. Criticism just needs correcting/opposing.

"in SM which totally undone all the hard work done by KR"

allowing for the horrible Americanism, who was KR?

So do we assume then that Salford do not have the financial capability to adhere to NRL standards? And if so, does that mean the next coach appointment will either be British or a long-time British-based Aussie?

Whether you believe the board or parish are in the right or wrong. In the end it was the boards decision to hire him so if he was not fit. Then there is a partial level of responsibility for the board.

OK without criticism would Wilko be prepared to step down without a cash incentive for the benefit of the club?

The honest truth might never be made 100% public but for certain I know that Parish didn't want to leave, he felt he had No choice after he asked the club for assurances on some fundamental issues that he felt were vital and the club refused to provide them.
One thing for sure is we'll never know what kind of job he would have job done.

I have personally found what has happened over the past day draining and my love for my club has never been lower, how fans as loyal as ourselves can be expected to remain loyal through this type of upheaval is beyond me, but you know what despite our better judgements most of us will do just that.